02J tranny part pictures was: Re: 350hp with 8vTransmission?02A/02J longevity?

[mr.utility at highstream.net (David Utley)]

When I called them to ask about the differences between 020 and 02A, they said 
that the 020 can be made AS strong as the 02A.  The way to do so has already 
been posted by someone else earlier in this thread...  The strongly 
recommended going with the 020, as two of them there do 1/4 track regularly 
with 200 hp plus with no troubles...  Perhaps it may be down to the 
abusiveness of the driver?  I dunno, but I am open to suggestions and further 
conversation about it, as I am in the planning stages here...

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Quoting Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com>:

> I thought it was interesting, and just to let you know Dan, I *coulda* done
> that with the pictures
> if I wanted to...(nya nya) because I too am doing my first 02A.  I kinda
> liked the two-cone
> synchro arrangement, the factory parts look great.  I replaced only the brass
> rings and left the
> intermediate steel cone alone.
> 
> Other parts are beefier, but I hear that 02A's have their own sets of
> problems and that 020's are
> as strong?  Know anything about this?  Wouldn't think so looking at the parts
> side by side.
> 
> One thing that bugs me is that on an 020, the small end pinion bearing is
> always shot.  It's the
> same bearing as one of the rear wheel bearings.  For whatever reason, VW
> failed to upgrade this
> part - the 02A uses the exact same bearing - and in the tranny I'm doing
> (supposedly 65K miles)
> you guessed it - it's shot.
> 
> Not in love with the flange arrangement either - the flanges on this box have
> pickup on the shaft
> that fits into the diff.
> 
> Ron
> 
> --- Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > For those that are curious some interesting 020/02J tranny part comparison
> pictures. (at least I
> > think they're interesting!)
> > In all cases the bigger parts are the 02J.
> > http://www.funksoulkitty.org/02jtrannybuild/tranny/parts.html
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Also, if anybody cares, the 02J (and presumably the 02A) is way
> stronger. The
> > > > > gear center to center
> > > > > distance is bigger which reduces tooth loading, the gears are all
> wider, the
> > > > > gear splines are huge
> > > > > compared to the 020, the engagement sleeves are much stronger and
> best of
> > > > > all, first and second
> > > > > gears have really cool triple cone synchros ;^)
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was told by German Transaxle in OR, that the 2nd gear synchros on the
> 02A
> > > > and 02J are especially weak...
> > >
> > > Well, the engagement teeth on 2nd gear were a little beat up on this
> tranny. I assumed it was
> > abuse
> > > since the clutch was also toast.
> > >
> > > >They mentioned that this is the same design
> > > > that Porsches had (I am assuming past tense), and that they are more
> expensive
> > > > to replace if, and when they wear...
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure they would cost more simply because there are three
> pieces and they have more
> > > extensive machining. Interestingly, despite the obvious wear on the
> engagement teeth, the
> > synchos
> > > still measured just about like new parts.
> > >
> > > > I am curious what your take on this
> > > > design is, as I plan to have an 020 in each of my A1s.  Eventually I
> hope to
> > > > have about 225-250 hp on one of those, and if you have a different take
> on it,
> > > > I might do well to ask you...  ;-)
> > >
> > > My personal car is going to get an 020 and I hope to be in the same power
> range as you, so
> > we'll
> > see
> > > how the 020 can handle that.
> > > The 02J is going to be mated to an AWP, the engine it originally came
> with, but it will be
> > > interesting to drive it and see what I think about the synchros. There's
> no question the rest
> > of
> > the
> > > tranny looks a hell of a lot beefier. I hope it's not just appearance.
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
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