16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..

[ats at longcoeur.com (Patrick Bureau)]

Jeff, I was teasing..lol I don't take offence easily..

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->-----Original Message-----
->From: Jeff Toomasson [mailto:area53@validpath.com] 
->Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:33 AM
->To: Patrick Bureau
->Cc: 'scirocco list'
->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
->
->Well - now that's not very polite...Since when are you 
->offended about my reference to one of the list's most 
->consistent truths??
->
->It's all in good fun. Sorry if I struck a nerve.
->
->JT
->----- Original Message -----
->From: "Patrick Bureau" <ats@longcoeur.com>
->To: "'Jeff Toomasson'" <area53@validpath.com>; "'Brian McGarvey'"
-><brianm@earendel.org>; "'David Utley'" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
->Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:36 PM
->Subject: RE: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
->
->
->> Oh bite me Jeff.
->>
->> -
->> ATS - Patrick Bureau - http://ats.longcoeur.com -
->> A1 eBay Sales: http://tinyurl.com/22e5b
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->>
->> ->-----Original Message-----
->> ->From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
->> ->[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of 
->Jeff Toomasson
->> ->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:54 PM
->> ->To: Brian McGarvey; David Utley
->> ->Cc: 'scirocco list'
->> ->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
->> ->
->> ->Brian - Did Patrick hi-jack your computer??  It's only so
->> ->often that someone conjures up spelling mistakes that butcher
->> ->up a sentence to the point it's complete void of
->> ->understandability...  :p
->> ->
->> ->(ducking) JT
->> ->----- Original Message -----
->> ->From: "Brian McGarvey" <brianm@earendel.org>
->> ->To: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
->> ->Cc: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>; "'scirocco list'"
->> -><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->> ->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 1:53 PM
->> ->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->> how to find TDC is some ham fist put your flywheel on wrong
->> ->w/ an IMPACT
->> ->> gun, and a drill.
->> ->>
->> ->>
->> ->> find a long implent either a wooden dowel or the long
->> ->phillips that comes
->> ->> in the craftsman screwdriver kit.
->> ->> put it in the #1 clyn hole.. it should be free and wiggle a
->> ->fair bit. the
->> ->> scredriver  is nice cause it cant fall in, but it hazardous
->> ->cause its
->> ->> metal.
->> ->>
->> ->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
->> ->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
->> ->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
->> ->> IMPORTANT: only HAND crank the motor.
->> ->> ONLY HAND CRANK THE MOTOR!!! in case anybody out there 
->missed this.
->> ->>
->> ->> and then put your 19mm on the crank (youve already got the
->> ->spark plugs
->> ->> out). and carefully turn the motor over untill you see the
->> ->object come up.
->> ->> you will see that it comes up, stops, and goes back down.
->> ->> when it is near the top look down at the lower t-belt 
->cover and the
->> ->> harmoic balancer pulley there is a tick mark. line that and
->> ->that arrow up
->> ->> on the plastic cover (not as precise as the TDC mark on
->> ->theflywheel). Now
->> ->> that object in the sparkplug hole  can be remove and put
->> ->back in your tool
->> ->> box.
->> ->>
->> ->> now go look again at the flywheel. you'll prolly see the
->> ->dot and hack in
->> ->> it now, its really really hard to screw up putting the
->> ->flywheel on. The
->> ->> bolt holes are not symmetric. use a flashlight.
->> ->>
->> ->> Now check the dist. the rotor should basically point right
->> ->at the tick
->> ->> mark on the sealing rim of the dizzy.
->> ->> Brian
->> ->>
->> ->>
->> ->> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, David Utley wrote:
->> ->>
->> ->> > Alright, I see what you are saying with regards to the
->> ->dist. issue, and
->> ->I will
->> ->> > take the flywheel issue into account.  If you are 
->right about the
->> ->flywheel,
->> ->> > then I am at a loss as to how to make sure I am at 
->TDC.  BTW, the
->> ->harmonic
->> ->> > balancer is off slightly as well, is that keyed, or can
->> ->it be improperly
->> ->> > installed too?  :-(
->> ->> >
->> ->> > I did take your suggestion, and began to disassemble the
->> ->top end so that
->> ->I
->> ->> > could time the cams properly.  Don is off on errands, and
->> ->I am left here
->> ->> > scratching my head.  I have a Golf 16V Bentley to advise
->> ->me, but if the
->> ->info.
->> ->> > is there, I cannot find it...  To the point---How do I
->> ->adjust the timing
->> ->of the
->> ->> > cams?  I am afraid to begin to loosen the caps w/o
->> ->specific instruction,
->> ->I
->> ->> > remember reading somewhere someone lost a Shrick cam
->> ->because he did not
->> ->tighten
->> ->> > the caps down in the correct order.  That may be apples
->> ->to my oranges,
->> ->but I
->> ->> > would rather be cautious than fool-hardy...  The marks on
->> ->the cams were
->> ->indeed
->> ->> > off, and not facing each other...
->> ->> >
->> ->> > I apologize for the hand-holding...  :-)
->> ->> >
->> ->> > Thanks very much for any and all suggestions..
->> ->> >
->> ->> > Cheers?
->> ->> >    David Utley
->> ->> >
->> ->> > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
->> ->> >
->> ->> > > The flywheel can actually go on opposite of what it's
->> ->supposed to if
->> ->the
->> ->> > > dowel pins have been removed previously by some
->> ->hack...Also, some
->> ->> > > aftermarket flywheels are not marked (though it seems
->> ->you don't have
->> ->this
->> ->> > > issue).
->> ->> > >
->> ->> > > With regards to the second distro installation config,
->> ->look at the
->> ->distro
->> ->> > > location with it removed - you should see four bolt
->> ->holes as opposed
->> ->to two.
->> ->> > > Install the distro without the bolts and without quite
->> ->engaging the
->> ->cam.
->> ->> > > Rotate it so you get an idea of the two fastening
->> ->config's. You'll
->> ->just have
->> ->> > > to experiment with each pair once you start running.
->> ->I'm 85% confident
->> ->that
->> ->> > > this is your issue as I had to deal with this the first
->> ->time I did my
->> ->2L
->> ->> > > swap...
->> ->> > >
->> ->> > > FWIW - I still don't understand why there was a 
->second set put
->> ->there...
->> ->> > >
->> ->> > > G/L - Jeff
->> ->> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
->> ->> > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
->> ->> > > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>
->> ->> > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->> ->> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:12 PM
->> ->> > > Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need 
->help ASAP..
->> ->> > >
->> ->> > >
->> ->> > > > No, not trite...  I have not played with the 16Vs
->> ->nearly as much as
->> ->their
->> ->> > > high-
->> ->> > > > flow challenged brothers, but I am learning...  :-)
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > More comments/questions below...
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > > Dave -
->> ->> > > > >
->> ->> > > > > This may sound trite, but if you're at all
->> ->suspicious about the
->> ->timing,
->> ->> > > I'd
->> ->> > > > > do each timing setup over from scratch so you can
->> ->eliminate that
->> ->from
->> ->> > > the
->> ->> > > > > equation. Since you're not the person who asembled
->> ->the setup in
->> ->the
->> ->> > > first
->> ->> > > > > place, I would recommend this even more. All the
->> ->way to remove the
->> ->> > > timing
->> ->> > > > > belt cover and re-checking the marks...yes, you
->> ->should check the
->> ->cam
->> ->> > > timing
->> ->> > > > > too!  sorry... :)
->> ->> > > > >
->> ->> > > > > Couple things to check (which you may already have):
->> ->> > > > >
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > > 1) Ensure your TDC is true and not for #4
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > I think we have done this, by using the -0- mark on
->> ->the flywheel.
->> ->THe
->> ->> > > > flywheels on the the 16Vs are the same as 8Vs in that
->> ->they can only
->> ->go on
->> ->> > > one
->> ->> > > > way, right?  In other words, if I check for TDC by
->> ->using #1 piston
->> ->> > > movement,
->> ->> > > > and aligned the -0- on the flywheel to the mark on
->> ->the bell-housing
->> ->at the
->> ->> > > same
->> ->> > > > time, I would indeed be at TDC, correct?
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > > 2) There are two arrangements that the distro can
->> ->be screwed in to
->> ->allow
->> ->> > > > > further adjustment. Try the other and leave the 
->distro a tad
->> ->loose.
->> ->> > > While
->> ->> > > > > you have buddy cranking the engine (or running),
->> ->rotate the distro
->> ->until
->> ->> > > you
->> ->> > > > > "find the groove" where it's running its best.
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > I am not sure I understand this, but my mechanic
->> ->friend prolly will.
->> ->I
->> ->> > > will
->> ->> > > > show it to him and see if he understands...
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > Thanks for the help...
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > David Utley
->> ->> > > >
->> ->> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
->> ->> > > > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
->> ->> > > > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->> ->> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 PM
->> ->> > > > > Subject: OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need
->> ->help ASAP..
->> ->> > > > >
->> ->> > > > >
->> ->> > > > > >
->> ->> > > > > >
->> ->> > > > > > Hello all,
->> ->> > > > > >   I actually have some 16V qyestions to ask, 
->wooohhoooo!
->> ->> > > > > >   The vehicle in question is an '82 p/up with a
->> ->Passat 2.0 16V
->> ->and
->> ->> > > > > Scirocco
->> ->> > > > > > CIS-E FI...
->> ->> > > > > >   Okay, my friend Don and I got the pickup to
->> ->run, despite the
->> ->P.O.s
->> ->> > > best
->> ->> > > > > > attempts to put the thing together wrong.  The
->> ->thing would start
->> ->and
->> ->> > > run,
->> ->> > > > > > but you really had to work with the throttle 
->to get it to
->> ->accelerate,
->> ->> > > and
->> ->> > > > > > the sucker is SO LOUD...  Since it would not
->> ->accelerate easily
->> ->at all,
->> ->> > > we
->> ->> > > > > > began to look at the timing.  After removing #1
->> ->spark plug and
->> ->> > > checking
->> ->> > > > > for
->> ->> > > > > > TDC (esp since the marks at the flywheel could
->> ->not be seen), we
->> ->saw
->> ->> > > that
->> ->> > > > > the
->> ->> > > > > > cam was retarded by one tooth.  We fixed that and
->> ->reinstalled,
->> ->and ran
->> ->> > > it
->> ->> > > > > > up.  It ran much better, but it still was not
->> ->right.  We then
->> ->checked
->> ->> > > the
->> ->> > > > > > timing, and saw that the dist. could not be
->> ->advanced any more
->> ->because
->> ->> > > > > there
->> ->> > > > > > was no more room left in the attachment slots.
->> ->Also, the timing
->> ->mark
->> ->> > > on
->> ->> > > > > the
->> ->> > > > > > cam gear is not -precisely-pointed at the mark on
->> ->the valve
->> ->cover.  It
->> ->> > > is
->> ->> > > > > > retarded  about half a tooth.  These two 
->things lead us to
->> ->believe
->> ->> > > that
->> ->> > > > > the
->> ->> > > > > > cams themselves are not timed properly.  Does
->> ->that seem like
->> ->what is
->> ->> > > > > > happening here?  The trouble that we now
->> ->experience is that the
->> ->thing
->> ->> > > > > still
->> ->> > > > > > does not want to rev like it really should.  It
->> ->still sputters a
->> ->bit,
->> ->> > > esp.
->> ->> > > > > > if you mash on it from an idler...
->> ->> > > > > >
->> ->> > > > > > Don wanted me to ask you all if this was worth
->> ->the effort of
->> ->re-timing
->> ->> > > the
->> ->> > > > > > cams...  I think the answer is yes, but I too am
->> ->interested in
->> ->what
->> ->> > > all
->> ->> > > > > you
->> ->> > > > > > think needs to be done...
->> ->> > > > > >
->> ->> > > > > > Any answers are appreciated, especially the quick
->> ->ones, as we
->> ->will be
->> ->> > > > > > attempting to put things right starting noon
->> ->Sunday, central
->> ->time...
->> ->> > > > > Thanks
->> ->> > > > > > very much for your time!
->> ->> > > > > >
->> ->> > > > > > Cheers!
->> ->> > > > > >    David Utley
->> ->> > > > > >
->> ->> > > > > > PS--  A first!  Although I have 7 VWs, I will for
->> ->the first time
->> ->have
->> ->> > > 1.5
->> ->> > > > > > running vehicles, woooooo-stinking-hooooo!  :)
->> ->> > > > > >
->> ->> > > > > >
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