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(WTB: 3a from Audi 80) - Now ABA vs. 3A
Comments within...
Quoting Mark <mardak@cogeco.ca>:
> David, we're talking about problems COMPARING an ABA vs a 3A. I don't
> doubt that there's problems that come up from time to time with ANY
> engine. I don't dispute the fact that you've seen problems with the
> ABA. This is your experience. But what's your experience with the 3A?
> What we're talking about here is a direct comparison between two engines
> - one of which is relatively rare. You may consider the ABA "soft", but
> against what? What I'm trying to prevent here is someone deciding to go
> with the 3A because they heard that the ABA's have ring problems. ANY
> engine will have "X" number of failures due to the odd defective part.
> That is expected with any manufactured item. The "misinformation" I'm
> referring to is that you're recommending the 3A over the ABA because
> you've seen ring failures on the ABA. That's all fine and good, but you
> probably haven't seen the same thing with 3As simply because very few
> actually come into the shop for service!!!
>
Agreed... It is not fair to say of two choices, A has this failure, so
therefore by B... That was a fallacy on my part (now that I understand I have
made one)... I am sorry...
> I believe your opinion is based on simply the higher number of ABA's
> that come in your shop rather than the actual percentage of ring
> failures on both of these engines...
>
> That's all I'm trying to say here. And as for the "misinformation"
> comment - that's exactly what I believe WAS contained in your post. The
> question remains - does the ABA have a higher ring failure rate than the
> 3A on a per engine basis... I don't know - that's the challenge to your
> comment that I brought up. Recommending a 3A over an ABA with "skewed"
> statistics IS misinformed. No?
Perhaps... And although I know that I have been too sensitive in the past,
perhaps I am being here as well. It appeared to me that you were saying I was
full of shit, -instead- of following through with the logic I presented... In
the long run, it does not matter, my reasoning was indeed skewed...
>
> David, please don't take this disagreement personally. You provide a
> great service to this list and provide many answers that only a parts
> guy at a VW dealer can help with. My only beef is with statements like
> you made in that post. The world is full of "misinformation", and this
> list is no exception. Don't forget a lot of people take what they read
> on the list and take it as fact. I just didn't want someone coming away
> from your post thinking that he should go out of his way to source a
> (probably) high mileage 3A and dump a bunch of cash into it to rebuild
> it rather than swap in a plentiful and cheap low mileage ABA. That's
> it, that's all...
>
Fair enough... Once again, I don't hold onto our conflicts... It just
becomes more and more apparent that this medium is really poor at explaining
things (from time to time)...
Regards,
David
> Mark.
> 75
> 80 S
> 81 S 2.0 ABA/JH/4K
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Utley [mailto:mr.utility@highstream.net]
> > Sent: April 7, 2004 3:44 PM
> > To: Mark
> > Cc: 'Dumitru Hociung'; 'Scirocco list'
> > Subject: RE: (WTB: 3a from Audi 80) - Now ABA vs. 3A
> >
> > Comments within...
> >
> > Quoting Mark <mardak@cogeco.ca>:
> >
> > > Don't forget there are a zillion times more ABAs running around out
> > > there than 3As. Does the ABA's rings have more problems per "X"
> number
> > > of units than the 3A, or is it just that you're seeing more problems
> > > with ABAs because there's a lot more out there...
> > >
> > Perhaps... This would be interesting to see...
> >
> > > I wouldn't doubt that the same manufacturer makes rings for all
> VW/Audi
> > > engines (mass produced ones anyways)... Are the ABA rings
> manufactured
> > > in Mexico?
> > >
> > I doubt that... They are more than likely sourced locally, but I do
> not
> > know
> > how to go about finding that out...
> >
> > > The reason I ask is because I've NEVER heard that the ABA bottom end
> is
> > > anything less than bulletproof. I just don't want to see someone go
> > > through considerable expense rebuilding a 3A rather than simply
> swapping
> > > in a low mileage ABA on that piece of unsubstantiated advice...
> >
> > What? What is 'unsubstantiated advice'? Let me break it down
> further...
> > What is advice? It is the best way to proceed with X, 'according to
> the
> > respondents' experience... This is my experience, I have found the
> ABAs
> > to
> > be 'soft'. So, how can -that- be unsubstantiated? For clarification,
> > this is
> > my experience here at the dealership, and with tuning 'dubs around
> here...
> >
> > I also
> > > just got off the phone with a friend who's the service manager at my
> > > local Volkswagen dealership, and he said there's ABSOLUTELY no
> "issue"
> > > with ring problems on the ABA... Take that for what it's worth I
> guess,
> > > but before you start spreading misinformation you should back up
> your
> > > advice with some numbers... As an "insider" could you get some info
> on
> > > how many ring failures these two engines have per 1000 units?
> > >
> >
> > As I said, this has been my experience... Just because I work here at
> a
> > dealership, I don't think you should automatically take my word for
> gold.
> > I
> > can only communicate what I have learned/experienced, and so far, I
> stand
> > by
> > both.
> >
> > As for spreading mis-information, that really hurts me Mark... Why in
> the
> > f*ck would I spread mis-info? Because I work at a dealership, do I
> > therefore
> > have to offer a failure-rate from the facroty before my advice is
> pertient?
> > I
> > don't get it... Please tell me where I mis-understood your intent, as
> I
> > hope
> > that is the case...
> >
> > David
> >
> > > Mark.
> > > 75
> > > 80 S
> > > 81 S 2.0 ABA/JH/4K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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