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Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydroheadonaJH?)

Subject: Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydroheadonaJH?)
From: jtoomasson at yahoo.com (Jeff Toomasson)
Date: Wed Sep 17 09:10:19 2003
References: <IMEIILEDMBCOMEJNDNBICEELEBAA.txrocco@sbcglobal.net><008201c37d33$5e20fc50$5a554f0a@TVSIT02><003301c37d36$91bd15a0$a809b9d0@4WAVEINC>

It was one of those "I'm 99.5% sure that the crap inside the head is
different - otherwise the heads wouldn't have different part numbers". But I
guess I needed that extra 0.5% smack against my head!  :p

Issue resolved! JT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Jeff Toomasson" <jtoomasson@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydro
headonaJH?)


> ETKA says the head, cam, cam follower and valves are different between the
> hydro and solid head. Sprocket, springs, keepers, retainers and seats are
> the same.
> Of course, either will bolt on as a complete head, but you knew that!
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Toomasson" <jtoomasson@yahoo.com>
> To: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <txrocco@sbcglobal.net>;
> <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydro
> headonaJH?)
>
>
> > I guess I should also clarify that by "interchangeable", I meant the
> running
> > gear within the head (versus the heads as a whole).
> >
> > thx, JT
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <txrocco@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <jtoomasson@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 8:36 AM
> > Subject: RE: Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydro head
> > onaJH?)
> >
> >
> > > well only way to confirm the pump is to piop it out and look at the
part
> #
> > > on it.
> > >
> > > but if it had the mechanical pump (30m hub versus the 36mm hub) you
> would
> > > have a clatter at the head.. (not enough oil getting pressure to it)
> > >
> > > as far as I know (and I will admit my knowledge is very limited here)
> but
> > I
> > > think the hydro and mechanical heads are interchangeable.
> > >
> > >
> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
> > > ----------------------------------------------
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> > > ICQ:32918816           |AIM:Texasscirocco
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > =>-----Original Message-----
> > > =>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > =>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Toomasson
> > > =>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:17 AM
> > > =>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > =>Subject: Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydro head
> on
> > > =>aJH?)
> > > =>
> > > =>
> > > =>Somehow this thread got distorted and I still really haven't gotten
> the
> > > =>answer I was after. So, I'll rephrase:
> > > =>
> > > =>What is the potential harm of running a hydraulic head on a JH block
> > that
> > > =>should, by all rights, have the smaller (30mm) oil pump?
> > > =>
> > > =>This question was raised because the head that is currently on the
'83
> > > =>California Edition is stamped hydro (I have yet to confirm, but I
> didn't
> > > =>think they were interchangable with solid heads), yet it should
> > > =>be solid. I
> > > =>have no idea if the pump that's currently in the block had been
> > > =>upgraded to
> > > =>properly feed the hydro head.
> > > =>
> > > =>Thanks, Jeff
> > > =>----- Original Message -----
> > > =>From: "Dave Ewing" <MK1Scirocco16v@comcast.net>
> > > =>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > =>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:32 AM
> > > =>Subject: Re: Any drawback to having a hydro head on a JH?
> > > =>
> > > =>
> > > =>> You should be able to look into the oil cap and see if it has
pucks
> or
> > > =>not.
> > > =>> Plus, unless someone has taken it out, the hydraulic heads have
the
> > oil
> > > =>> deflector sitting above the cam.  But, if it does have a deflector
> > then
> > > =>you
> > > =>> won't be able to see if it has pucks or not and the deflector
> > > =>is sometimes
> > > =>> installed on the solid lifter heads as an upgrade.  So, either
look
> > > =>through
> > > =>> the oil cap and see if you can see if the lifters have pucks in
them
> > or
> > > =>pull
> > > =>> the valve cover.  If you do pull the valve cover, I'd get the
> > > =>2.0L gasket
> > > =>> and studs to replace the older style 3 piece rubber/cork gasket.
> HTH!
> > > =>>
> > > =>> Dave
> > > =>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > =>> From: "Jeff Toomasson" <jtoomasson@yahoo.com>
> > > =>> To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > =>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:28 AM
> > > =>> Subject: Any drawback to having a hydro head on a JH?
> > > =>>
> > > =>>
> > > =>> When I bought the Cali, I noticed that the head had the big H on
it.
> > The
> > > =>PO
> > > =>> says that the cylinder head had never been replaced so it could
> > > =>very well
> > > =>be
> > > =>> the first owner's doing.
> > > =>>
> > > =>> I checked the block this morning and it is indeed a JH.
> > > =>>
> > > =>> What would this do? My first inclination is that, assuming only
the
> > head
> > > =>was
> > > =>> replaced, if the engine's oil pump wasn't upgraded at the same
time,
> > the
> > > =>> smaller solid-lifter pump probably wouldn't generate enough oil
> > pressure
> > > =>to
> > > =>> allow the hydraulic valve train to operate properly.
> > > =>>
> > > =>> Or - maybe the engine was completely replaced with something out
of
> an
> > > =>> '85/6/7/8 8v and the only way to truly confirm if the oil pump is
> the
> > > =>right
> > > =>> one is to crack open the oil pan, right?
> > > =>>
> > > =>> Sheesh - Only in a Scirocco!   :)
> > > =>>
> > > =>> JT
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References:
- Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydro head onaJH?)
  - From: txrocco at sbcglobal.net (ATS - Patrick Bureau)
- Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydro headonaJH?)
  - From: jtoomasson at yahoo.com (Jeff Toomasson)
- Missing the Point (was: Any drawback to having a hydroheadonaJH?)
  - From: jdbubb at ix.netcom.com (Dan Bubb)

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