2nd gear clunking

[roccit_53 at hotmail.com (C Boyko)]

Lately some folks have been suggesting it is "too slippery". SO far so good 
for mine, it's been three years of pretty hard use with the MTL.
Cathy


>From: Euroroc II <flaatr@yahoo.com>
>To: "Scirocco" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: 2nd gear clunking
>Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:05:53 -0700
>
>Did I miss something... what's the problem with MTL?
>-Raffi
>
>
>At 03:19 PM 9/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>Rhett,
>>
>>My newly built 4k w/bolt kit + 0.80 grinds in second, too. The synchros
>>were fine when I had it apart so I didn't replace them -- I attribute the
>>2nd gear grind just to the car being a VW.
>>
>>Redline MTL does help the grind, but I don't trust the stuff anymore.. so
>>for now I'm just living with it and going easy on 2nd. I've got NAPA
>>Sta-lube MT-4 gear oil in it right now. Maybe it needs the 'friction
>>modifier' that someone was talking about recently.
>>
>>As far as replacing synchros, you need to do most of the tranny teardown.
>>I'd almost say its a full teardown because just a couple more circlips
>>and 4 bolts and it IS a full teardown.
>>
>>You need to pull the tranny, remove 5th gear (kind of a pain), split the
>>case (you have to build a special tool, and you have to remove the drive
>>flanges which requires a flange compressor), and pull a bunch of circlips
>>(you need circlip pliers). You need a lot of time (several days at least)
>>and a big space to work in since there will be parts strewn everywhere.
>>
>>It's not really a job for a novice, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it
>>again now that I know how the gearbox goes together (and now that I have
>>all the tools)
>>
>>In your case.. I would try a gear oil additive of some type. Ask around
>>and find out what works, then report back to me :)
>>
>>Just remember that synchros operate on friction. With too little friction
>>they won't work at all and you'll grind in every gear. Think of them as
>>miniature clutches that mesh together just before you engage a gear.. you
>>don't want over-lubricate them (but if you under-lubricate them, they
>>will wear out quickly).
>>
>>-Toby
>>
>>On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Rhett Farnum wrote:
>>
>> > The rocco my friend is going to be getting mon. (and joining here soon
>> > after) does the same thing. When I drove it and power shifted into 
>>second it
>> > didn't do it but any other time it does.
>> >
>> > How hard are syncros to replace? Is it like an afternoon project for 
>>some
>> > rookies or more like a wknd?
>> >
>> >
>> > Peace Out,
>> > Rhett
>> > Rocco_crossing
>> > '83 Rocco (autocross ready, tune up, install harness, and finally I may 
>>get
>> > to makeing it look better!!)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com>
>> > >To: Scirokn Virginia <scirokn@hotmail.com>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> > >Subject: Re: 2nd gear clunking
>> > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 03:19:36 -0700 (PDT)
>> > >
>> > >Please describe "speed shifting" - how exactly did you shift (up and 
>>down),
>> > >how fast, etc.
>> > >
>> > >Sounds like you baked 2nd gear synchro, possibly from forcing a
>> > >downshift???
>> > >
>> > >LMK
>> > >
>> > >Ron
>> > >
>> > >--- Scirokn Virginia <scirokn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Last friday I lost my clutch cable and drove home 38 miles, ten in 
>>town
>> > > > traffic...starting it in 2nd gear and speed shifting. I got it home 
>>fine
>> > >but
>> > > > after installing the new cable, 2nd gear clunked into place with a 
>>mild
>> > > > grind. I figured I had thrown the linkage off. So after fiddleing 
>>with
>> > >it
>> > > > for 3 hours and finally having all gears where they belong 
>>again....it
>> > >STILL
>> > > > clunks. Only at idle speed will it go in quietly, but who grabs 2nd 
>>at
>> > >that
>> > > > low rpm...nobody. And it doesn't matter if it's an up or down 
>>shift.
>> > >Have I
>> > > > broken something inside the tranny? tell me NO...agh!!!! help!!
>> > >
>> > >
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