2nd gear clunking

[flaatr at yahoo.com (Euroroc II)]

Did I miss something... what's the problem with MTL?
-Raffi


At 03:19 PM 9/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Rhett,
>
>My newly built 4k w/bolt kit + 0.80 grinds in second, too. The synchros
>were fine when I had it apart so I didn't replace them -- I attribute the
>2nd gear grind just to the car being a VW.
>
>Redline MTL does help the grind, but I don't trust the stuff anymore.. so
>for now I'm just living with it and going easy on 2nd. I've got NAPA
>Sta-lube MT-4 gear oil in it right now. Maybe it needs the 'friction
>modifier' that someone was talking about recently.
>
>As far as replacing synchros, you need to do most of the tranny teardown.
>I'd almost say its a full teardown because just a couple more circlips
>and 4 bolts and it IS a full teardown.
>
>You need to pull the tranny, remove 5th gear (kind of a pain), split the
>case (you have to build a special tool, and you have to remove the drive
>flanges which requires a flange compressor), and pull a bunch of circlips
>(you need circlip pliers). You need a lot of time (several days at least)
>and a big space to work in since there will be parts strewn everywhere.
>
>It's not really a job for a novice, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it
>again now that I know how the gearbox goes together (and now that I have
>all the tools)
>
>In your case.. I would try a gear oil additive of some type. Ask around
>and find out what works, then report back to me :)
>
>Just remember that synchros operate on friction. With too little friction
>they won't work at all and you'll grind in every gear. Think of them as
>miniature clutches that mesh together just before you engage a gear.. you
>don't want over-lubricate them (but if you under-lubricate them, they
>will wear out quickly).
>
>-Toby
>
>On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Rhett Farnum wrote:
>
> > The rocco my friend is going to be getting mon. (and joining here soon
> > after) does the same thing. When I drove it and power shifted into 
> second it
> > didn't do it but any other time it does.
> >
> > How hard are syncros to replace? Is it like an afternoon project for some
> > rookies or more like a wknd?
> >
> >
> > Peace Out,
> > Rhett
> > Rocco_crossing
> > '83 Rocco (autocross ready, tune up, install harness, and finally I may get
> > to makeing it look better!!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com>
> > >To: Scirokn Virginia <scirokn@hotmail.com>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > >Subject: Re: 2nd gear clunking
> > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 03:19:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Please describe "speed shifting" - how exactly did you shift (up and 
> down),
> > >how fast, etc.
> > >
> > >Sounds like you baked 2nd gear synchro, possibly from forcing a
> > >downshift???
> > >
> > >LMK
> > >
> > >Ron
> > >
> > >--- Scirokn Virginia <scirokn@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Last friday I lost my clutch cable and drove home 38 miles, ten in town
> > > > traffic...starting it in 2nd gear and speed shifting. I got it home 
> fine
> > >but
> > > > after installing the new cable, 2nd gear clunked into place with a mild
> > > > grind. I figured I had thrown the linkage off. So after fiddleing with
> > >it
> > > > for 3 hours and finally having all gears where they belong again....it
> > >STILL
> > > > clunks. Only at idle speed will it go in quietly, but who grabs 2nd at
> > >that
> > > > low rpm...nobody. And it doesn't matter if it's an up or down shift.
> > >Have I
> > > > broken something inside the tranny? tell me NO...agh!!!! help!!
> > >
> > >
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