[ELECTRICAL] Motronic

[txrocco at sbcglobal.net (ATS - Patrick Bureau)]

Jason, now this is the way I would do things, and I know alot opf people may
intervene, but its your car, I am only trying to be helpfull.
Do you have the 16v bentley for the wiring ? if not I have it scaned and you
could print it up so that you would have a reference, you would also need
the wiring  details of the monotronic system (passat ?) then you will need
to patch the 16v wiring to the fuse box like you were doing oem. (trust me I
had to patch 3a/knock box into a cis 8v :) I understand somewhat what you
are going throught.

the way I would do it (and I have experience and electrical does not scare
me) the following way,

1. identify all wires FIRST. (color codes are helpfull) with tape (ie: end
of wire to fuel pump marked as so)
   ( if you need the etka picture with the wire loom diagram lmk. )

2. retore the 16v box with the wires.

3. BREATH!.. this is important, this is not a contest in speed, take your
time if you identify 5 wires a day and they are verified for continuity and
installed probperly then when comes the time to modify it you will be sure
it will work. and therefore progress faster than blind speed.

4. once the OEM wres are installed (yes if the cis-e hardware is not
there...no worries)turn key and check windows, wipers and all those goodies.

5 Take a day off and drink beer... you earned it (and you think this is a
joke line right... you just wait !)

6. identify all monotronic wires the same way... and visualize as you
identify the wires , the patches you are going to need, (you will understand
when you get to this point...the exercise of re-installing all the 16v looms
in will have you mind  identifying wires wivually by colors and wire plugs
by the end of it)

7. start patching monotronic into the 16v looms. (actually not as a big job
as re-installing all the looms into the car I am quite sure of that !

8. start the car.. :)


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=>-----Original Message-----
=>From: Jason F. Snow [mailto:jasonfsnow@optonline.net]
=>Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:40 PM
=>To: 'ATS - Patrick Bureau'
=>Subject: RE: [ELECTRICAL] Motronic
=>
=>
=>Ok, I can send that box back...You gonna help me with what you can?
=>
=>The 16v harness from the Scirocco outta work nice with the 16v fuse box
=>and that harness is pretty intact. As far as the fuse box connections
=>go.
=>
=>-----Original Message-----
=>From: ATS - Patrick Bureau [mailto:txrocco@sbcglobal.net]
=>Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:07 PM
=>To: jasonfsnow@optonline.net; 'Scirocco List'
=>Subject: RE: [ELECTRICAL] Motronic
=>
=>man... and they say I rework everything....lol
=>
=>Jason you need to get of the drugs ya doing man... that fuze box does
=>not
=>have enough connections fuses count on that box = 13 on a scirocco over
=>20
=>unless your going to drop systems left and right ya going to be short on
=>proper fuses or have too many items on a single fuse.
=>
=>my 2 cents worth... I would just used the 16v fuse box.
=>
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=>=>-----Original Message-----
=>=>From: Jason F. Snow [mailto:jasonfsnow@optonline.net]
=>=>Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:51 PM
=>=>To: 'ATS - Patrick Bureau'; jasonfsnow@optonline.net; 'Scirocco List'
=>=>Subject: RE: [ELECTRICAL] Motronic
=>=>
=>=>
=>=>Sorry I was kinda panicky when I wrote the original email.
=>=>
=>=>It's an 81 Scirocco
=>=>2.0 16v w/ 1.8 head 4k tranny (if those details help)
=>=>There are NO wires in the car--And I mean none.
=>=>No a/c
=>=>No p/s
=>=>It does have power brakes
=>=>I can hook up the lights, wipers/washers, horn
=>=>I am going to wire the radiator fan direct with a switch inside the
=>car.
=>=>The car has no interior, only front seats.
=>=>No dashboard, I will fabricate one after everything is hooked up and
=>=>working.
=>=>I will be using original light switch, hazard switch, and everything
=>in
=>=>the column (ie. Wiper switch, turn signals switch, hi-beam switch)
=>=>I will be using a 16v 160 speedo I have the connectors that plug into
=>=>the speedo on each side, they have about 4 inches of wiring coming out
=>=>of them.
=>=>I also have neuspeed oil temp, oil pressure, & voltage gauges.
=>=>I am using this fuse box:
=>=>
=>=>http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/panels/pdp1b.shtml
=>=>
=>=>I have a digital camera, so I will get some detailed pics up of what I
=>=>have.
=>=>
=>=>So you see, I really am screwed..lol..
=>=>
=>=>
=>=>
=>=>-----Original Message-----
=>=>From: ATS - Patrick Bureau [mailto:txrocco@sbcglobal.net]
=>=>Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 4:30 PM
=>=>To: jasonfsnow@optonline.net; Scirocco List
=>=>Subject: RE: [ELECTRICAL] Motronic
=>=>
=>=>jason I am a little confused about what CAR, And engine you have,
=>having
=>=>wiring is good, and if you are doing a re-wiring, only certain wires
=>=>needs
=>=>to be changed from cis-e to monotronic. now if oyu have a mKI  with a
=>=>16v
=>=>engine trying to go monottronic, then indeed you are up a creek, but
=>=>plenty
=>=>of paddles around to help.
=>=>
=>=>couple of questions needs answering
=>=>
=>=>1. what car mki mkii
=>=>2. what engine
=>=>3. is there ANY wiring in the car or you stripped it all out ?
=>=>4. what options does the car have (this will be importabnt for the
=>minor
=>=>stuff.
=>=>
=>=>
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=>=>=>-----Original Message-----
=>=>=>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
=>=>=>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Jason F. Snow
=>=>=>Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:19 AM
=>=>=>To: Scirocco List
=>=>=>Subject: [ELECTRICAL] Motronic
=>=>=>
=>=>=>
=>=>=>It's been 2 1/2 years now since I started my Scirocco project, and
=>=>it's
=>=>=>all come down to this.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>I don't have any idea what I'm doing with the wiring.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>What I have:
=>=>=>92 Passat Motronic Wiring Harness W/Computer
=>=>=>87 Scirocco Wiring harness
=>=>=>81 Scirocco Wiring Harness
=>=>=>81 Scirocco Fuse Box
=>=>=>87 Scirocco Fuse Box
=>=>=>New Fuse Box (Universal)
=>=>=>
=>=>=>All harnesses have been butchered pretty bad, so I my idea is this:
=>=>=>
=>=>=>Start with the new fuse box. Get all my lights, wipers, horn
=>working.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>Take Motronic Computer Connector and eliminate what I don't need
=>(not
=>=>=>like I know what that is)
=>=>=>
=>=>=>Size everything up. Make sure all wires are the length they need to
=>=>be.
=>=>=>The only way I can do this is to put the computer where I want it to
=>=>be.
=>=>=>Under glove box. And figure things out from there.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>Connect the wires.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>It's that simple! Actually it's not, I can figure out all the
=>basics,
=>=>=>lights and stuff, but the ignition system is going to be impossible.
=>=>=>I've picked up the book several times and though "I can do this" but
=>=>=>seriously, I don't know.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>Can I blow anything up if I don't hook something up right?
=>=>=>
=>=>=>I've had a million offers of friends who will help me, but offers
=>=>never
=>=>=>pan out. I'll have to do it myself.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>The Computer:
=>=>=>How much power does it need?
=>=>=>I want to run a wire from the fuse box to give it power. And of
=>course
=>=>=>it needs a ground.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>I figure I will do this one sensor and connector at a time.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>I need solid suggestions.
=>=>=>
=>=>=>Thanks,
=>=>=>
=>=>=>Jason F. Snow
=>=>=>Information Technology Consultant
=>=>=>Home:  (973)492-8456
=>=>=>Work:  (973)838-8511
=>=>=>Cell:  (973)277-6480
=>=>=>Email: jasonfsnow@optonline.net
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