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It was brought to my attention that I was WAY to loose with my choice of =
words. In no shape or form did I intend to imply that SOB applied to Dan =
himself. It was purely a lame attempt to play on the phonetics and =
completely directed at his new, non-rocc problem child.

I hope Dan can look past this one - I've learned the hard way too many =
times that I probably should keep my mouth shut (though I don't seem to =
ever get it...)

Have a good weekend - now I wil go home and medicate myself.....Jeff
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dan Smith=20
  To: Jeff Toomasson ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
  Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:10 PM
  Subject: Re: How much more do we have to hear this SOB? (was: knock =
light LED?)


  I'd love to go back to a rocc. Got a spare? The only reason I =
mentioned the saab now is that this thread originally started with =
someone saying 'The Saab guys have managed to do this...' and I didn't =
know who posted that. The other reason I've posted so much about it is =
that this list is the most mechanically resourceful group of people I =
know. There isn't much for Saab owners for reference so when I'm =
desperate I come here. And 20? I wouldn't say that much....Believe me, =
I'm just as sick of the p.o.s. as you are if not more so. In the future, =
I will only post Saab stuff as a very last resort and will make sure the =
subject clearly says OT: SAAB JEFF DELETE.=20

  Dan=20

   Jeff Toomasson <jtoomasson@yahoo.com> wrote:=20

    I guess I'll come off like some of the cranky "Stay on Topic" folks, =
but oh well...I'm actually only half-serious - my Delete key does =
work...but I've had a rough day and need to vent.=20

    I'm tired of hearing about this beater Saab - I would never bat an =
eye at a couple of random mentions (hell, I'm sure I've pulled out the =
sorry "I miss my M3" statement a couple of times.) But I bet I could =
pull out 20 messages about this thing in the last 4-6 weeks since Dan =
bought it...go back to Sciroccos, buddy. This Saab thing doesn't suit =
you.

    Jeff (vomits out the evil spirit that has possessed him)

    Sorry, Dan. No offense intended.  :)
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Dan Smith=20
      To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
      Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:09 PM
      Subject: Re: Interesting 16V thought: knock light LED?


      I got to do that to my Saab! Where did you see the article on it? =
(assuming there is one?) I think my knock sensor is on it's way out, as =
the car isn't producing nearly as much boost as it should before =
blowoff. Not that it's producing anything at the moment but for future =
reference it sounds quite useful.=20

      Dan=20

       Jason <jason@scirocco.org> wrote:=20

        At 06:28 AM 3/28/2003, T Berk wrote:
        >Ryan H wrote:
        > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, T Berk wrote:
        > > >
        > > > > Ryan H wrote:
        > > > > >
        >
        > > > > > know, there has to be some wire with a basic signal
        > > > > > (12V or 0V) for knock, so I can hook an LED up to see
        > > > > > when knock is present.
        > > > > > Anyone already try such a thing?
        > > > > > ___________________________
        > > > >
        > > > >=20
        > > > >
        > > > > Can these schematics help any?
        > > > >
        > > > > TBerk
        > > > >
        > > > One way to do it is via a compare ckt.
        > > > if the output of the CIS box =3D=3D output of the knock =
box no knock.
        > > > if !=3D retard occuring.
        > > > brian
        > >
        > > Brian: Sounds a bit too complicated to make... although I'm =
no=20
        > electrical engineer.
        > > TBerk, your schematic is pretty good, so maybe you have some =
ideas - do=20
        > you think a 12v LED with the positive lead to pin 13 would do =
anything?
        > >
        >
        >I would be concerned with signal drop if you just hook up an =
LED, I'd
        >want you to wrap a coil around the signal wire (#13) and use it =
to
        >trigger an LED circuit.
        >
        >Wait, all that would do is flicker when the mic that is the K/S =
was
        >fed ping. Better yet would be to get a signal from when the K/S =
box
        >goes into action, lets see...

        Very, very interesting indeed: This was standard equipment on my =
Mom's=20
        1987 Peugeot 505 STX V6. Peugeot put a little yellow LED at the =
base of=20
        the instrument cluster that would flicker when the car sensed =
knock.

        In our case, the thing flickered all the time prompting the =
dealership to=20
        call it a bullshit gimmick and disconnecting the LED.

        But since then, I've always thought it'd be cool to have one! :)
        Jason


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It was brought to my attention that I =
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loose with my choice of words. In no shape or form did I intend to imply =
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child.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope Dan can look past this one - =
I've learned=20
the hard way too many times that I probably should keep my mouth shut =
(though I=20
don't seem to ever get it...)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have a good weekend - now I wil go home =
and=20
medicate myself.....Jeff</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsad_rocc@yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan =
Smith</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djtoomasson@yahoo.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:jtoomasson@yahoo.com";>Jeff Toomasson</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 28, 2003 =
3:10=20
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: How much more do =
we have to=20
  hear this SOB? (was: knock light LED?)</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <P>I'd love to go back to a rocc. Got a spare?&nbsp;The only reason I=20
  mentioned the saab now is that this thread originally started with =
someone=20
  saying 'The Saab guys have managed to do this...' and I didn't know =
who posted=20
  that. The other reason I've posted so much about it is that this list =
is the=20
  most mechanically resourceful group of people I know. There isn't much =
for=20
  Saab owners for reference so when I'm desperate I come here. And 20? I =

  wouldn't say that much....Believe me, I'm just as sick of the p.o.s. =
as you=20
  are if not more so. In the future, I will only post Saab stuff as a =
very last=20
  resort and will make sure the subject clearly says OT: SAAB JEFF =
DELETE.=20
  <P>Dan=20
  <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Jeff Toomasson &lt;jtoomasson@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> =
wrote:=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess I'll come off like some of =
the cranky=20
    "Stay on Topic" folks, but oh well...I'm actually only half-serious =
- my=20
    Delete key does work...but I've had a rough day and need to vent.=20
    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm tired of hearing about this =
beater Saab - I=20
    would never bat an eye at a couple of random mentions (hell, I'm =
sure I've=20
    pulled out the sorry "I miss my M3" statement a couple of times.) =
But I bet=20
    I could pull out 20 messages&nbsp;about this&nbsp;thing in the last =
4-6=20
    weeks since Dan bought it...go back to Sciroccos, buddy. This Saab =
thing=20
    doesn't suit you.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff (vomits out the evil spirit =
that has=20
    possessed him)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry, Dan. No offense =
intended.&nbsp;=20
    :)</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dsad_rocc@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan Smith</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 28, =
2003 2:09=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Interesting =
16V thought:=20
      knock light LED?</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <P>I got to do that to my Saab! Where did you see the article on =
it?=20
      (assuming there is one?) I think my knock sensor is on it's way =
out, as=20
      the car isn't producing nearly as much boost as it should before =
blowoff.=20
      Not that it's producing anything at the moment but for future =
reference it=20
      sounds quite useful.=20
      <P>Dan=20
      <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Jason &lt;<A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:jason@scirocco.org";>jason@scirocco.org</A>&gt;</I></B> =
wrote:=20

      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">At=20
        06:28 AM 3/28/2003, T Berk wrote:<BR>&gt;Ryan H wrote:<BR>&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
        On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, T Berk wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
        &gt; Ryan H wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;<SNIP><BR>&gt;=20
        &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; know, there has to be some wire with a basic =

        signal<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (12V or 0V) for knock, so I =
can hook=20
        an LED up to see<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; when knock is=20
        present.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Anyone already try such a=20
        thing?<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
___________________________<BR>&gt;=20
        &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <HTTP: home.mindspring.com =
~tberk=20
        index.html><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Can =
these=20
        schematics help any?<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
        TBerk<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; One way to do it =
is via a=20
        compare ckt.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; if the output of the CIS box =
=3D=3D output of=20
        the knock box no knock.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; if !=3D retard =
occuring.<BR>&gt;=20
        &gt; &gt; brian<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Brian: Sounds a bit =
too=20
        complicated to make... although I'm no <BR>&gt; electrical=20
        engineer.<BR>&gt; &gt; TBerk, your schematic is pretty good, so =
maybe=20
        you have some ideas - do <BR>&gt; you think a 12v LED with the =
positive=20
        lead to pin 13 would do anything?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;I =
would be=20
        concerned with signal drop if you just hook up an LED, =
I'd<BR>&gt;want=20
        you to wrap a coil around the signal wire (#13) and use it=20
        to<BR>&gt;trigger an LED circuit.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Wait, all that =
would do=20
        is flicker when the mic that is the K/S was<BR>&gt;fed ping. =
Better yet=20
        would be to get a signal from when the K/S box<BR>&gt;goes into =
action,=20
        lets see...<BR><BR>Very, very interesting indeed: This was =
standard=20
        equipment on my Mom's <BR>1987 Peugeot 505 STX V6. Peugeot put a =
little=20
        yellow LED at the base of <BR>the instrument cluster that would =
flicker=20
        when the car sensed knock.<BR><BR>In our case, the thing =
flickered all=20
        the time prompting the dealership to <BR>call it a bullshit =
gimmick and=20
        disconnecting the LED.<BR><BR>But since then, I've always =
thought it'd=20
        be cool to have one!=20
        =
:)<BR>Jason<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR=
>Scirocco-l=20
        mailing=20
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