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I just want to reiterate one point Rick made. Sand blasting WILL warp =
light sheetmetal. (Actually, I think it's due to compressive stresses =
introduced into the surface of the metal, but whatever!)
Glass bead blasting, walnut shell blasting.....Eastwood has a selection =
and gives general guidelines on what works where.
Sandblast the underbody or heavily rusted areas that will need bodywork =
anyway.
Least that's what I'd do.
Dan
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rick Alexander=20
To: Jeff Toomasson ; Ron Pieper ; John C. Worden ; =
scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Por-15 Question and couple of MkI Q's too.
What you are referring to here is warping due to heat. Flat panels =
will get surprisingly wavy if sand blasted due to heat. Then try a nice =
gloss black finish!
Black beauty is available to me at the local hardware store in 80 # =
bags.
Baking soda blasting will avoid the heat damage. To get this in bulk =
you need to find a good commercial blaster.
And yes, coat it immediately. Even just a few hours will allow it to =
turn brown.
Rick Alexander
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeff Toomasson=20
To: Ron Pieper ; John C. Worden ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Por-15 Question and couple of MkI Q's too.
Are you planning on removing all the black undercoating crap too, =
Ron?=20
In regards to the sand-blasting, I read somewhere (and will =
definitely double-check) that exterior areas that will be seen should =
NOT be sandblasted. Something about marring the surface shape?? Can =
anyone corroborate that?=20
I was definitely planning on going the POR-15 route.=20
Was it Alan who said to get the paint on quickly? I assuming by =
"paint" hea meant the POR-15 top coat, correct?=20
Thx, JT=20
Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote:=20
I don't know about POR 15; never used it. But, in my typical =
cheapass way, I have found and
effective, off-the-shelf solution: Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer is =
absolutely the dogs bollocks
for sealing metal and preventing the spread of rust. I think it =
has fish oil or something (ever
see a rusty fish? Well there ya go).
I had bought a beater Rabbit for a girlfriend some decades ago, it =
had some surface and other
minor rust. I just wire brushed it off and put some RMP on it. On =
an exterior surface, that rust
didn't peek through for over two years, probably longer since I =
sorta dumped her and the car went
too, and I haven't seen hide nor hair of either one since (nor =
that $3000 she owes me...well,
that's another story).
I'm telling ya - when I get my MkI, out come the carpets and down =
goes RMP in any questionable
areas. Underneath too. Topcoat with other Rustoleum stuff iff'n =
you want.=20
My $0.02 says that common sense prevails...this is a cheap and =
very effective solution IMO.
HTH
Ron
--- "John C. Worden" wrote:
> I'll address this all at once:
> In regards to the first email, I'm not going to cover over what =
little rust=20
> there is. I am going to sandblast too and
> then am going to Por 15 everything that is out of sight. This is =
the best=20
> looking MkI I've seen around here for a
> long time and want to keep it looking that way(TX car =
supposedly).
> In regards to Alan's email, thanks, I will go with their =
topcoat.
> Julie, this "black beauty"; what is it exactly. I assuming it's =
not sand of=20
> course.
>=20
>=20
> John
>=20
> At 07:52 PM 3/22/03 +0000, Julie Macfarlane wrote:
>=20
> >Unbelievable. I've tried those scrubber wheels, wire wheels =
sand paper,=20
> >every thing.
> >Man that sandblaster does an INCREDIBLE job. Cuts the rust and =
paint in a=20
> >heart beat. Best $24.00 I've spent yet....
> >
> >Ummmm. What else can I do?
> >
> >
> >
> >Julie Macfarlane
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Alan Stamper"=20
> >>
> >>And get the paint on there as soon as you can. I wouldn't even =
let it sit
> >>overnight.
> >>
> >>Alan
> >>
> >>From: "Julie Macfarlane"=20
> >>
> >>
> >> > A friend of mine told me that NO product stops rust. POR15 =
etc just delays
> >> > the creeping of rust. He suggests, either cut it ALL out or =
sandblasting
> >>the
> >> > metal to remove all the rust.
> >> > Sooo...
> >> > For me I got an inexpencive sandblast gun from Walmart and =
borrowed a
> >> > compressor. 100 lbs of Black beauty and I have a date in =
the drive way
> >> > today...
> >> > To seal the metal, he suggests a self etching primer, with =
a coat of paint
> >> > to cover.
> >> >
> >> > Julie Macfarlane
> >>
> >> >
> >> > >From: "John C. Worden"=20
> >> > >To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >> > >Subject: Por-15 Question and couple of MkI Q's too.
> >> > >Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:18:58 -0500
> >> > >
> >> > >Here's a question for those of you experienced with Po-15. =
I'm getting
> >> > >started
> >> > >with work on the '78 and want to use Por-15 on the insides =
of the outer
> >> > >fenders,
> >> > >and the very front of the inner fenders(well at least =
these areas, maybe
> >> > >more).
> >> > >Apparently the top coat is optional, what did you use, and =
do recommend
> >>the
> >> > >topcoat? I want to do this right, but also don't want to =
bother with
> >> > >needless
> >> > >steps.
> >> > >Also anybody know offhand if the body stickers(doorjamb =
and under hood
> >> > >ones)
> >> > >are still available or if someone makes repros?
> >> > >Could also use a pair of saddle brown inside door handle =
trim pieces- the
> >> > >piece
> >> > >that goes around the handle. Want a pair in VERY nice =
shape.
> >> > >
> >> > >Thanks
> >> > >
> >> > >John C. Worden
>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just want to reiterate one point Rick =
made. Sand=20
blasting WILL warp light sheetmetal. (Actually, I think it's due to =
compressive=20
stresses introduced into the surface of the metal, but =
whatever!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Glass bead blasting, walnut shell=20
blasting.....Eastwood has a selection and gives general guidelines on =
what works=20
where.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sandblast the underbody or heavily =
rusted areas=20
that will need bodywork anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Least that's what I'd do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dan</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dralexander03@snet.net =
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>Rick=20
Alexander</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djtoomasson@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:jtoomasson@yahoo.com";>Jeff Toomasson</A> ; <A=20
title=3Drapieper@yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:rapieper@yahoo.com";>Ron =
Pieper</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco@powerlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco@powerlink.net";>John C.=20
Worden</A> ; <A title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 23, 2003 =
7:08=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Por-15 Question =
and couple=20
of MkI Q's too.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>What you are referring to here is warping due to heat. =
Flat=20
panels will get surprisingly wavy if sand blasted due to heat. Then =
try a nice=20
gloss black finish!</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Black beauty is available to me at the local hardware =
store in 80=20
# bags.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Baking soda blasting will avoid the heat damage. To get =
this in=20
bulk you need to find a good commercial blaster.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>And yes, coat it immediately. Even just a few hours will =
allow it=20
to turn brown.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Rick Alexander</STRONG></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djtoomasson@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:jtoomasson@yahoo.com";>Jeff=20
Toomasson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drapieper@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:rapieper@yahoo.com";>Ron Pieper</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco@powerlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco@powerlink.net";>John C.=20
Worden</A> ; <A title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 22, =
2003 10:10=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Por-15 Question =
and couple=20
of MkI Q's too.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>Are you planning on removing all the black undercoating crap too, =
Ron?=20
<P>In regards to the sand-blasting, I read somewhere (and will =
definitely=20
double-check) that exterior areas that will be seen should NOT be=20
sandblasted. Something about marring the surface shape?? Can anyone=20
corroborate that?=20
<P>I was definitely planning on going the POR-15 route.=20
<P>Was it Alan who said to get the paint on quickly? I assuming by =
"paint"=20
hea meant the POR-15 top coat, correct?=20
<P>Thx, JT=20
<P> <B><I>Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">I=20
don't know about POR 15; never used it. But, in my typical =
cheapass way, I=20
have found and<BR>effective, off-the-shelf solution: Rustoleum =
Rusty Metal=20
Primer is absolutely the dogs bollocks<BR>for sealing metal and =
preventing=20
the spread of rust. I think it has fish oil or something =
(ever<BR>see a=20
rusty fish? Well there ya go).<BR><BR>I had bought a beater Rabbit =
for a=20
girlfriend some decades ago, it had some surface and =
other<BR>minor rust.=20
I just wire brushed it off and put some RMP on it. On an exterior =
surface,=20
that rust<BR>didn't peek through for over two years, probably =
longer since=20
I sorta dumped her and the car went<BR>too, and I haven't seen =
hide nor=20
hair of either one since (nor that $3000 she owes =
me...well,<BR>that's=20
another story).<BR><BR>I'm telling ya - when I get my MkI, out =
come the=20
carpets and down goes RMP in any questionable<BR>areas. Underneath =
too.=20
Topcoat with other Rustoleum stuff iff'n you want. <BR><BR>My =
$0.02 says=20
that common sense prevails...this is a cheap and very effective =
solution=20
IMO.<BR><BR>HTH<BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><BR><BR>--- "John C. Worden"=20
<SCIROCCO@POWERLINK.NET>wrote:<BR>> I'll address this all at=20
once:<BR>> In regards to the first email, I'm not going to =
cover over=20
what little rust <BR>> there is. I am going to sandblast too=20
and<BR>> then am going to Por 15 everything that is out of =
sight. This=20
is the best <BR>> looking MkI I've seen around here for =
a<BR>> long=20
time and want to keep it looking that way(TX car =
supposedly).<BR>> In=20
regards to Alan's email, thanks, I will go with their =
topcoat.<BR>>=20
Julie, this "black beauty"; what is it exactly. I assuming it's =
not sand=20
of <BR>> course.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> John<BR>> =
<BR>> At=20
07:52 PM 3/22/03 +0000, Julie Macfarlane wrote:<BR>> <BR>>=20
>Unbelievable. I've tried those scrubber wheels, wire wheels =
sand=20
paper, <BR>> >every thing.<BR>> >Man that sandblaster =
does an=20
INCREDIBLE job. Cuts the rust and paint in a <BR>> >heart =
beat. Best=20
$24.00 I've spent yet....<BR>> ><BR>> >Ummmm. What =
else can I=20
do?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >Julie=20
Macfarlane<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>>=20
>>From: "Alan Stamper" <SCIROCCO-AL@INSIGHT.RR.COM><BR>>=20
>><BR>> >>And get the paint on there as soon as you =
can. I=20
wouldn't even let it sit<BR>> >>overnight.<BR>>=20
>><BR>> >>Alan<BR>> >><BR>> =
>>From:=20
"Julie Macfarlane" <JULIEMAC57@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
>><BR>> >> > A friend of mine told me that NO =
product=20
stops rust. POR15 etc just delays<BR>> >> > the =
creeping of=20
rust. He suggests, either cut it ALL out or sandblasting<BR>>=20
>>the<BR>> >> > metal to remove all the =
rust.<BR>>=20
>> > Sooo...<BR>> >> > For me I got an =
inexpencive=20
sandblast gun from Walmart and borrowed a<BR>> >> >=20
compressor. 100 lbs of Black beauty and I have a date in the drive =
way<BR>> >> > today...<BR>> >> > To seal =
the=20
metal, he suggests a self etching primer, with a coat of =
paint<BR>>=20
>> > to cover.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> =
> Julie=20
Macfarlane<BR>> >><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> =
>=20
>From: "John C. Worden" <SCIROCCO@POWERLINK.NET><BR>> =
>> >=20
>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>> >> > >Subject: =
Por-15=20
Question and couple of MkI Q's too.<BR>> >> > =
>Date: Sat,=20
22 Mar 2003 09:18:58 -0500<BR>> >> > ><BR>> =
>>=20
> >Here's a question for those of you experienced with =
Po-15. I'm=20
getting<BR>> >> > >started<BR>> >> > =
>with=20
work on the '78 and want to use Por-15 on the insides of the =
outer<BR>>=20
>> > >fenders,<BR>> >> > >and the very =
front of=20
the inner fenders(well at least these areas, maybe<BR>> =
>> >=20
>more).<BR>> >> > >Apparently the top coat is =
optional,=20
what did you use, and do recommend<BR>> >>the<BR>> =
>>=20
> >topcoat? I want to do this right, but also don't want to =
bother=20
with<BR>> >> > >needless<BR>> >> >=20
>steps.<BR>> >> > >Also anybody know offhand if =
the body=20
stickers(doorjamb and under hood<BR>> >> > =
>ones)<BR>>=20
>> > >are still available or if someone makes =
repros?<BR>>=20
>> > >Could also use a pair of saddle brown inside =
door handle=20
trim pieces- the<BR>> >> > >piece<BR>> >> =
>=20
>that goes around the handle. Want a pair in VERY nice =
shape.<BR>>=20
>> > ><BR>> >> > >Thanks<BR>> =
>> >=20
><BR>> >> > >John C. Worden<BR>>=20
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