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Yes, the car's feeling have a great deal to do with how it runs.  =
Seriously.  Just ask Cathy.  or Julie.  I've even experienced this =
phenomena.
Larry
sandiego16v
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ryan H=20
  To: S. Coleman=20
  Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help


  Nope, I've tried everything I could, including replacing the coil and =
transfer pump as of recently...
  I've come to the conclusion that it will never be fixed, and the car =
will always run like crap because it hates me. :(

  >=20
  > From: "S. Coleman" <deadbolt@mindspring.com>
  > Date: 2003/02/09 Sun PM 04:40:59 EST
  > To: "Ryan H" <rhock99@epix.net>
  > Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
  >=20
  > I've been super busy lately at work...  Did you ever figure out what =
was up
  > with your car?
  > LMK,
  > Chris
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Ryan H" <rhock99@epix.net>
  > To: "S. Coleman" <deadbolt@mindspring.com>
  > Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
  > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:26 PM
  > Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
  >=20
  >=20
  > > Chris, did your problem lead to low power even down low as well?
  > > My car just suddenly kicks like I've got a 50,000 pound AC =
compressor,
  > then it won't rev past 4k.  Sometimes, it kicks back to life and is =
fine for
  > a few minutes.  Occasionally, it's dead as a dog off the line (feels =
like
  > starting in 4th gear), then explodes to life at 3000 rpm.
  > > The coil is the next component I'm looking at, as it's the only =
thing not
  > new or swapped in the ignition.  (Knock sensor is the second one, =
brand new)
  > > The local VW mechanic replaced my distrib and rotor and timed the =
motor.
  > It was sluggish when I brought it to them (17+ second 1/4 mile), but =
ran
  > normal.  Should I be wary of the job they did?  If the distrib cap =
is loose,
  > I wouldn't be able to turn it by hand, right?
  > > How about the rotor?  How do I check that (visually) for problems?
  > > Thanks!
  > >
  > >
  > > > I had a similar problem with my car about a year and a half ago. =
 I did
  > > > nearly the same as you and started replacing what I "thought" =
was wrong.
  > > > Bottom line:   My coil was breaking down at high rpms and =
....well we
  > all
  > > > know what happens when you lose that...  If you have already =
checked
  > your
  > > > specs on your coil,.... I can tell you that my coil checked out =
within
  > specs
  > > > when it was tested.  (It was Still bad)  Lastly,... Allyn and a =
few of
  > us
  > > > met a year or so ago when my car had a strange power loss =
cruising
  > through
  > > > the mountains in North Carolina.  It was damn near always after =
the car
  > had
  > > > been running for a while and was completely warmed up...  We =
swapped the
  > > > ignition module for a brand new one from Adirondack and the =
problem was
  > > > still there ....  actually a bit worse it seemed.  Out came a =
used one
  > from
  > > > Erics parts stash and the problem was solved.  I never figured =
out why
  > that
  > > > one fixed the problem... But it has run like a bat out of hell =
since.
  > > > Seems to me you have an ignition timing problem though.  Chime =
in here
  > > > guys,... but if I'm thinking correctly,..  Advance for low-end =
grunt and
  > > > retard for top-end grunt...   So I would look to see if your =
ignition
  > timing
  > > > is advanced too far.  (I could have these backwards,... I'm =
typing on 0
  > > > hours sleep here)   Did you remove your distributor or loosen it =
to
  > replace
  > > > you cap and rotor?
  > > > Let me know if this helps or not,
  > > > Chris
  > > > '88 16v Rocco
  > > > '78 8v Rocco
  > > > '80 Caddy
  > > > '92 SLC
  > > > '02 337 1.8T
  > > > '00 GTI VR6
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "Ryan H" <rhock99@epix.net>
  > > > To: "Brian McGarvey" <brianm@earendel.org>
  > > > Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
  > > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:14 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > I swapped the O2 sensor with a new one, and it didn't solve =
anything.
  > I
  > > > also tried a different coolant temp sensor (with cleaned =
contacts) and
  > it
  > > > still acts up.
  > > > > I'm at a loss for what it is.
  > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > From: Brian McGarvey <brianm@earendel.org>
  > > > > > Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 08:57:17 EST
  > > > > > To: Ryan H <rhock99@epix.net>
  > > > > > Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
  > > > > >
  > > > > > That might be your o2 sensor...
  > > > > > Brian
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Ryan H wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > > > Any hints or procedures for testing the knock box wiring?
  > > > > > > I've swapped two different (same PN) boxes and neither =
worked, and
  > I
  > > > still suspect a faulty knock system causing my car to have low =
power (no
  > > > timing advance, won't rev past 4k, occasionally shuts off =
completely)
  > > > > > > I have a brand new distributor/cap, could these be bad =
already?
  > (The
  > > > problem started a week or so after I replaced it, but I replaced =
many
  > other
  > > > things in that week, too).
  > > > > > > Thanks.
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > > _______________________________________________
  > > > > > > Scirocco-l mailing list
  > > > > > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
  > > > > > > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
  > > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > --
  > > > > > =
-------------------------------------------------------------
  > > > > > Brian
  > > > > > 88 16v $2003 GRM challenge car http://www.grmotorsports.com
  > > > > > 84 0v Next years car got parts?
  > > > > > 82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. =
next.
  > > > > > 90 90q20v doing daily driver duty.
  > > > > > 91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Contact method. Email me for AIM, ICQ, YahooIM, IRC, etc.
  > > > > > =
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  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > _______________________________________________
  > > > > Scirocco-l mailing list
  > > > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
  > > > > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
  > > >
  > > >
  > >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, the car's feeling have a great =
deal to do with=20
how it runs.&nbsp; Seriously.&nbsp; Just ask Cathy.&nbsp; or =
Julie.&nbsp; I've=20
even experienced this phenomena.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net"; title=3Drhock99@epix.net>Ryan =
H</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:deadbolt@mindspring.com"; =
title=3Ddeadbolt@mindspring.com>S.=20
  Coleman</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
  title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 09, 2003 =
3:40=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Knock box wiring =
testing=20
  help</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Nope, I've tried everything I could, including =
replacing the=20
  coil and transfer pump as of recently...<BR>I've come to the =
conclusion that=20
  it will never be fixed, and the car will always run like crap because =
it hates=20
  me. :(<BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; From: "S. Coleman" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:deadbolt@mindspring.com";>deadbolt@mindspring.com</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;=20
  Date: 2003/02/09 Sun PM 04:40:59 EST<BR>&gt; To: "Ryan H" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
Subject: Re:=20
  Knock box wiring testing help<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I've been super busy =
lately at=20
  work...&nbsp; Did you ever figure out what was up<BR>&gt; with your=20
  car?<BR>&gt; LMK,<BR>&gt; Chris<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message =
-----<BR>&gt;=20
  From: "Ryan H" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; To: =
"S.=20
  Coleman" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:deadbolt@mindspring.com";>deadbolt@mindspring.com</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;=20
  Cc: &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;=20
  Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:26 PM<BR>&gt; Subject: Re: Knock box =
wiring=20
  testing help<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Chris, did your problem =
lead to=20
  low power even down low as well?<BR>&gt; &gt; My car just suddenly =
kicks like=20
  I've got a 50,000 pound AC compressor,<BR>&gt; then it won't rev past=20
  4k.&nbsp; Sometimes, it kicks back to life and is fine for<BR>&gt; a =
few=20
  minutes.&nbsp; Occasionally, it's dead as a dog off the line (feels=20
  like<BR>&gt; starting in 4th gear), then explodes to life at 3000 =
rpm.<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; The coil is the next component I'm looking at, as it's the only =
thing=20
  not<BR>&gt; new or swapped in the ignition.&nbsp; (Knock sensor is the =
second=20
  one, brand new)<BR>&gt; &gt; The local VW mechanic replaced my distrib =
and=20
  rotor and timed the motor.<BR>&gt; It was sluggish when I brought it =
to them=20
  (17+ second 1/4 mile), but ran<BR>&gt; normal.&nbsp; Should I be wary =
of the=20
  job they did?&nbsp; If the distrib cap is loose,<BR>&gt; I wouldn't be =
able to=20
  turn it by hand, right?<BR>&gt; &gt; How about the rotor?&nbsp; How do =
I check=20
  that (visually) for problems?<BR>&gt; &gt; Thanks!<BR>&gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I had a similar problem with my car about a =
year and a=20
  half ago.&nbsp; I did<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; nearly the same as you and =
started=20
  replacing what I "thought" was wrong.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Bottom=20
  line:&nbsp;&nbsp; My coil was breaking down at high rpms and ....well=20
  we<BR>&gt; all<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; know what happens when you lose =
that...&nbsp;=20
  If you have already checked<BR>&gt; your<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; specs on =
your=20
  coil,.... I can tell you that my coil checked out within<BR>&gt; =
specs<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; when it was tested.&nbsp; (It was Still bad)&nbsp; =
Lastly,... Allyn=20
  and a few of<BR>&gt; us<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; met a year or so ago when my =
car had=20
  a strange power loss cruising<BR>&gt; through<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; the =
mountains=20
  in North Carolina.&nbsp; It was damn near always after the car<BR>&gt; =

  had<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; been running for a while and was completely =
warmed=20
  up...&nbsp; We swapped the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ignition module for a =
brand new=20
  one from Adirondack and the problem was<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; still there=20
  ....&nbsp; actually a bit worse it seemed.&nbsp; Out came a used =
one<BR>&gt;=20
  from<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Erics parts stash and the problem was =
solved.&nbsp; I=20
  never figured out why<BR>&gt; that<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; one fixed the =
problem...=20
  But it has run like a bat out of hell since.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Seems =
to me you=20
  have an ignition timing problem though.&nbsp; Chime in here<BR>&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
  guys,... but if I'm thinking correctly,..&nbsp; Advance for low-end =
grunt=20
  and<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; retard for top-end grunt...&nbsp;&nbsp; So I =
would look=20
  to see if your ignition<BR>&gt; timing<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; is advanced =
too=20
  far.&nbsp; (I could have these backwards,... I'm typing on 0<BR>&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
  hours sleep here)&nbsp;&nbsp; Did you remove your distributor or =
loosen it=20
  to<BR>&gt; replace<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; you cap and rotor?<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt; Let=20
  me know if this helps or not,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Chris<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt; '88=20
  16v Rocco<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; '78 8v Rocco<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; '80 =
Caddy<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; '92 SLC<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; '02 337 1.8T<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; '00 =
GTI=20
  VR6<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
From:=20
  "Ryan H" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt; To:=20
  "Brian McGarvey" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:brianm@earendel.org";>brianm@earendel.org</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; Cc: &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:14 PM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
Subject:=20
  Re: Knock box wiring testing help<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; I swapped the O2 sensor with a new one, and it didn't =
solve=20
  anything.<BR>&gt; I<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; also tried a different coolant =
temp=20
  sensor (with cleaned contacts) and<BR>&gt; it<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; still =
acts=20
  up.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm at a loss for what it is.<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: =
Brian=20
  McGarvey &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:brianm@earendel.org";>brianm@earendel.org</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 08:57:17 EST<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; To: Ryan H &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
  &gt; Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =

  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; That might be your o2 =
sensor...<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; Brian<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Ryan H =
wrote:<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Any hints or =
procedures=20
  for testing the knock box wiring?<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
I've=20
  swapped two different (same PN) boxes and neither worked, and<BR>&gt;=20
  I<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; still suspect a faulty knock system causing my car =
to have=20
  low power (no<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; timing advance, won't rev past 4k,=20
  occasionally shuts off completely)<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I =
have a=20
  brand new distributor/cap, could these be bad already?<BR>&gt; =
(The<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; problem started a week or so after I replaced it, but I =
replaced=20
  many<BR>&gt; other<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; things in that week, =
too).<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=20
  _______________________________________________<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; Scirocco-l mailing list<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:Scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t; &gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <A=20
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  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; --<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=20
  -------------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; Brian<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 88 16v $2003 GRM =
challenge=20
  car <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.grmotorsports.com";>http://www.grmotorsports.com</A><BR=
>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 84 0v Next years car got parts?<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; 82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. =
next.<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 90 90q20v doing daily driver duty.<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
  &gt; 91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Contact method. Email me for AIM, =
ICQ,=20
  YahooIM, IRC, etc.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=20
  -------------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
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