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1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
- Subject: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
- From: bhonnold@pac-cap.com (BcH)
- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:41:59 -0700
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Dan makes many excellent points however I would like to explore/contest this
statement and use it as a discussion "When you consider ultimate power
potential there's no contest!"
How would the 1.8T be THE ultimate power motor?
Lets put the brain trust to work and get some opinions and dialog going. I
know that there are many of us building interesting high $$ and high HP
motors......it would be nice to see what people think.
Brian Honnold
Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions
Pacific Capital Investments
Phone: 916.773.3300
Fax: 916.773.3208
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: Brian Honnold
> Cc: 'scirocco'
> Subject: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
>
>
> First off 150 HP from a 1.8T is not the same as 150 from an 8V or 16V.
> If you put the torque curves on top of each other you will
> see the area
> under the curve is significantly greater for the 1.8T. Plus,
> getting 200
> Hp out of the 1.8T is a $400 chip and trivial to do. Matching
> this power
> out of a 2.0 16V can be done, but that isn't cheap either. It's either
> ITB with standalone engine management ($2500) + cams + P&P
> etc. or turbo
> When you consider ultimate power potential there's no contest!
> I think if you decide your HP goal and it's only 150 then this can be
> obtained easier than swapping the 1.8T.
> If your HP goal is much higher then the cost of the 1.8T swap becomes
> more reasonable in light of the cost of upgrades to other possible
> swaps.
> Dan
>
> > BcH wrote:
> >
> > Oh god NOT THIS AGAIN.
> >
> > The 1.8T is not now and never will be the best option for a
> swap. It
> > IS in fact the most difficult swap with the highest $$ per
> HP that you
> > can do.
> >
> > Not only do you pay out the ass for the components, you
> only get 150HP
> > for your trouble. Add an additional $1000+ for EFI, $1000+
> for a real
> > turbo manifold and charger and another $500 for
> miscellaneous upgrades
> > to make it moderately realiable (aka 330cc injectors).
> >
> > Brian Honnold
> > Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions
> > Pacific Capital Investments
> > Phone: 916.773.3300
> > Fax: 916.773.3208
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of ATS -
> > > Patrick Bureau
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:13 PM
> > > To: rept; ats@vwmail.net; scirocco
> > > Subject: Re: Engines- Vroom vroom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > AH so you are not looking for a 2L 8v hybrid conversion then,
> > > well it all depends on your budget for a complte swap out.
> > >
> > > preferences for an scirocco.. would be a 1.8T
> > >
> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau
> > > 1985 8v Euro GTX 3A/JH Project
> > > 1985 8v Euro GT Project (Daily Drive)
> > > http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/
> > > http://www.texassciroccoteam.org/
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "rept" <rept@qwest.net> wrote:
> > > >If it's complete- and just needs to be dropped in- thats
> > > easy enough. I
> > > >deal with the logitics of components- but not the internal
> > > replacement
> > > >like my last swap.
> > > >
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________________________
> > > Free email, forums and features for events, clubs and cars.
> > > Show Pride in Your Ride with a yourname@vwmail.net address
> > > from http://www.vwmail.net
> > >
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> > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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> > >
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dan makes many excellent points however I would like =
to explore/contest this statement and use it as a discussion "When =
you consider ultimate power potential there's no =
contest!"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>How would the 1.8T be THE ultimate power motor? =
</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lets put the brain trust to work and get some opinions =
and dialog going. I know that there are many of us building =
interesting high $$ and high HP motors......it would be nice to see what =
people think.</FONT></P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian Honnold</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pacific Capital Investments</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Phone: 916.773.3300</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fax: 916.773.3208</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:37 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: Brian Honnold</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cc: 'scirocco'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom =
vroom</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> First off 150 HP from a 1.8T is not the same as =
150 from an 8V or 16V.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> If you put the torque curves on top of each =
other you will </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> see the area</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> under the curve is significantly greater for the =
1.8T. Plus, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> getting 200</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hp out of the 1.8T is a $400 chip and trivial to =
do. Matching </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> this power</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> out of a 2.0 16V can be done, but that isn't =
cheap either. It's either</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ITB with standalone engine management ($2500) + =
cams + P&P </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> etc. or turbo</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> When you consider ultimate power potential =
there's no contest!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I think if you decide your HP goal and it's only =
150 then this can be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> obtained easier than swapping the 1.8T.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> If your HP goal is much higher then the cost of =
the 1.8T swap becomes</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> more reasonable in light of the cost of upgrades =
to other possible</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> swaps.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Dan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > BcH wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Oh god NOT THIS AGAIN.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > The 1.8T is not now and never will be the =
best option for a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> swap. It</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > IS in fact the most difficult swap with the =
highest $$ per </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HP that you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > can do.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Not only do you pay out the ass for the =
components, you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> only get 150HP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > for your trouble. Add an additional =
$1000+ for EFI, $1000+ </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> for a real</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > turbo manifold and charger and another $500 =
for </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> miscellaneous upgrades</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > to make it moderately realiable (aka 330cc =
injectors).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Brian Honnold</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Vice President Multifamily =
Acquisitions</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Pacific Capital Investments</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Phone: 916.773.3300</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Fax: 916.773.3208</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > From: =
scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On Behalf Of ATS -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Patrick Bureau</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:13 =
PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > To: rept; ats@vwmail.net; =
scirocco</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Subject: Re: Engines- Vroom =
vroom</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > AH so you are not looking for a 2L 8v =
hybrid conversion then,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > well it all depends on your budget for =
a complte swap out.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > preferences for an scirocco.. would be =
a 1.8T</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > 1985 8v Euro GTX 3A/JH Project</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > 1985 8v Euro GT Project (Daily =
Drive)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/";>http://www.longcoeur.com/scir=
occo/</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.texassciroccoteam.org/";>http://www.texassciroccoteam.o=
rg/</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > --- "rept" =
<rept@qwest.net> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >If it's complete- and just needs =
to be dropped in- thats</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > easy enough. I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >deal with the logitics of =
components- but not the internal</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > replacement</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >like my last swap.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
_____________________________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Free email, forums and features for =
events, clubs and cars.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Show Pride in Your Ride with a =
yourname@vwmail.net address</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > from <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.vwmail.net";>http://www.vwmail.net</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
_______________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Scirocco-l mailing list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > <A =
HREF=3D"http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l";>http://neubayer=
n.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
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