Engine Rebuild Costs - ballpark?

[green536@hotmail.com (Chris DeLong)]

Mark,

Sounds like you had fun ;-)

Already pulled the engine out of my Van and put it back in. Next time I do 
it (hopefully soon) I will be installing a 2.0l 16v. Just have to make a 
custom intake manifold for it; and get some ABF parts ;-)

Vanagons are cool though huh? I really like mine (except for the engine 
part). At least they arent as oily and rusty as their aircooled kin.

Just out of curiosity; why did you take the engine out in the first place?


>Damn
>
>Maybe I'll just buy a Cooper Mini when my 'rocco gives
>up the ghost.  It might be cheaper in the long run...
>
>
>Actually, after 10 hours of working today, we got the
>engine back in my vanagon today.  There are a lot of
>little freaking coolant hoses and sensors in that
>engine.  I mean a LOT.  There are something like 27
>individual coolant hoses, most about 3 inches long
>just in the engine compartment.  There are 8
>individual fuel lines, 2 cylinder heads (boxxer
>engine), and about a gazillion hose clamps and oil
>gaskets.  Somehow (probably thanks to the hardware kit
>I bought with the cylinder heads) it all went back
>together without any missing nuts and bolts.  The
>exhaust is in position on some floor jacks, just
>waiting for daylight and the feeling of numbness in my
>arms to go away to put it back in.
>
>It really helps to have a friend that will help you
>out for hours on end for just some beer and breakfast
>- not necessarily in that order, but occasionally...
>and sometimes they are one and the same :)
>
>Thanks for the email- good reality check - need any
>tips on pulling the engine out of your 91 v'gon, lemme
>know - I can tell you a lot of things NOT to do :)
>
>Mark
>
>
>--- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok just to give you guys a little break down on how
> > I got my figures. When I
> > made that quote it is assuming the engine is in the
> > car. The shop (I work
> > at/run whatever) charges 10 hours to r&r the engine
> > longblock. Then you are
> > looking at about another 8 hours in disassembly and
> > reassembly of the
> > longblock itself. This amounts to roughly 1300$ in
> > labor alone (shop rate is
> > 70$ per hour). Then you have 250$ in pistons, 85$
> > for a lower end gasket
> > set, 100$ for a upper end gasket set, 150$ to bore
> > and hot tank the block,
> > 100$ for all 8 valves, then about 200$ for 3 angle
> > valve job and head
> > reassembly, 18$ for a timing belt, 30$ for a
> > tensioner, 25$ for antifreeze,
> > 13$ for oil, 140$ for tune-up parts, 125$ for a
> > clutch, 65$ for rod
> > bearings, 140$ for main bearings (we only use main
> > bearings with the 6 piece
> > center main setup), 85$ for rings, allow about 100$
> > for misc. shit (hoses,
> > sensors and whatever else looks like it is going to
> > fail soon and wont cost
> > the customer $$ for labor to replace while we are in
> > there). Now keep in
> > mind I am fully aware that some of these prices
> > might seem a little high for
> > parts. Also keep in mind that we the internet using
> > type people generally
> > shop around for the best deal. This is what I would
> > charge Joe Schmoe who
> > makes it clear that he wants the whole shebang and
> > wants it done right. I
> > hope this gives you guys a little insight as to what
> > goes on with "the other
> > side".
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >I didn't mean replacing the pistons - just honing
> > the
> > >cylinders....
> > >
> > >It would be nice to know a price list, but so many
> > >things vary... I knew it was a silly,
> > multi-answered
> > >question.  What will probably happen is that I will
> > >rebuild it myself next summer, after I have
> > forgotten
> > >how painfully time consuming the engine rebuild
> > >process is, and only remember the (cough cough)
> > good
> > >parts of rebuilding the vanagon engine.  I managed
> > to
> > >put all the pistons back in facing the wrong
> > >direction, so that will be the first order of
> > business
> > >tomorrow.... ("Oh - you mean the arrow on the
> > pistons
> > >is supposed to point to the OTHER flywheel ;)")
> > >
> > >
> > >Hey - you've got a vanagon don't you?  I remember
> > you
> > >being on the van list for a while last year.....
> > They
> > >are a lot of fun until they break :(
> > >
> > >Still got it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- T Berk <tberk@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > > Mark Mages wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey there - I was wondering if anyone could
> > give
> > > > me a
> > > > > ballpark figure for a 1.8l 8v rebuild by a
> > shop.
> > > > > Nothing too fancy, probably just a standard
> > > > job....
> > > > > pistons, rings, valves, grind the crank,
> > seals,
> > > > etc.
> > > > > No blueprinting or high $$ balancing required
> > :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I have learned over the last few weeks that I
> > have
> > > > > neither the patience, nor the time, nor the
> > access
> > > > to
> > > > > parts necessary to rebuild my own engines.
> > The
> > > > first
> > > > > time may very well be the last.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark, would you really need to replace the
> > pistons?
> > > > Seems new rings
> > > > would do it, but of course it depends on the
> > > > condition.
> > > >
> > > > Man, such a wide range in prices.  Any body have
> > a
> > > > staged price
> > > > schedule?, you know like for A you can expect to
> > pay
> > > > X, for B you pay
> > > > XX, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TBerk
> > > >
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Chris DeLong
ICQ#45030867
Seattle, WA USA
'80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
'91 GLi 2.0 16V
'77 Rabbit 16V
'80 'Vert (parting out!)
'61 17 Window type II
'91 Vanagon
'78 Rabbit
'84 Jetta


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