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Subject: Fw: 16v assembly trouble
From: Scirocco-Al" <scirocco-Al@insight.rr.com (Scirocco-Al)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:33:17 -0800
References: <F55sJ3Ih7jtrSByh133000107d2@hotmail.com>
I bought a car that someone managed to do this to.  They actually bent th=
e
alignment dowels when they bolted the flywheel on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: 16v assembly trouble


note to all: it IS possible to install the flywheel the wrong way, contra=
ry
to popular belief. it isn't easy, you have to be a little slow upstairs, =
but
it is possible. the engine will run and drive fine, though you'll wonder
where your timing marks are. ask me how i know :)

-michael


>From: "Rick Alexander" <rick@brubakerbox.com>
>The flywheel can only be assembled one way. The dial indicator on top of
>the
>piston indicated that the marks on the flywheel are correct. The key on =
the
>original timing sprocket was showing stress marks so a new sprocket was
>installed. Still the v belt pulley is 90 deg. off from it's register mar=
k
>on
>the timing belt cover.
>
>Rick Alexander
>http://www.brubakerbox.com
>http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
>http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>
> > To: <rick@brubakerbox.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
> >
> >
> > > How does the vbelt mark correlate with the mark on the flywheel? If=
 it
> > isnt
> > > correct; are you sure you put the flywheel on correctly? If so then
>you
> > need
> > > to replace the crank sprocket or the cam sprocket as the built in k=
ey
>may
> > > have sheared and you cant see it without taking the pulley(s) off.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Rick Alexander" <rick@brubakerbox.com>
> > > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
> > > >Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:42:23 -0500
> > > >
> > > >I have a greasy old Bentley, this is how I can definitively say th=
at
>the
> > > >ignition and fuel systems are working. I've done all of the checks
>for
> > > >these. Although I'm far from a novice at building engines, this is=
 my
> > first
> > > >water-cooled VW. I'll also admit that valve timing has given me fi=
ts
> > before
> > > >but I've never failed for three days to sort it out. By posting th=
ese
> > > >questions I'm really asking what is peculiar about the 1.8 16v and
>what's
> > > >up
> > > >with the v belt pulley mark being off by 90 Deg.?
> > > >
> > > >Rick Alexander
> > > >http://www.brubakerbox.com
> > > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
> > > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jason Adams" <roclist@accessconsulting.ca>
> > > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:38 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Do you have a bentley?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've found it very usefull when it comes to timing / ignition /
>clutch
> > /
> > > > > brake etc... work.
> > > > >
> > > > > With your flywheel at TDC the mark on the cam gear will be lini=
ng
>up
> > > >with
> > > > > the mark on the valve cover (or 180=B0 out, if this is the case
>rotate
> > the
> > > > > crank another revolution), always rotate the crank clockwise (w=
hen
> > > >looking
> > > > > from pass side), when these marks are lined up the ignition tim=
ing
>is
> > > > > roughly set as the distributer is directly linked to the camsha=
fts
>(no
> > > > > intermediate shaft to line up). The distributer will only go on
>one
> > way.
> > > > > Keep the screws for the distributer snug but not tight, btw use
>the
> > > >holes
> > > >at
> > > > > 10 and 4 for the distributer not 2 and 8! DOH! If everything is
> > working
> > > >ie
> > > > > knock box, hall sender, ignition computer, feul delivery, etc...
>(this
> > > >is
> > > > > where the bentley really helps!), the car will start, may not r=
un
> > well,
> > > >but
> > > > > now you can time the spark by rotating the distributer and usin=
g a
> > > >timing
> > > > > gun...
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got some pics if you want more help...
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason Adams
> > > > > Fahrvergnugen Forever!
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rick Alexander" <rick@brubakerbox.com>
> > > > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Peter, I have an antique "push it in the hole" type of
> > > >compression
> > > > > tester and of course that is of no value where a 16v is concern=
ed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've reset everything based upon the flywheel TDC mark which lo=
oks
>to
> > be
> > > > > correct. Now I have another question that stems from my ignoran=
ce
>of
> > > > > electronic ignition. In the old days, oh I'm old, so rather I
>should
> > say
> > > >in
> > > > > the time of points and condenser a test light could be put on t=
o
>get
> > to
> > > >the
> > > > > approximate ignition timing. Then when it was running the dynam=
ic
> > timing
> > > > > light would finish the job. How do you set the ignition timing =
up
>for
> > > >the
> > > > > first run? The timing light is rather pointless before it runs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Alexander
> > > > > http://www.brubakerbox.com
> > > > > http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
> > > > > http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "The Scirocco" <peter@thescirocco.com>
> > > > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------- Original Message -------------------------
> > > > > > ---------
> > > > > > From: "Rick Alexander" <rick@brubakerbox.com>
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:06:34 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ok, I'm stumped and require the assistance of the
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This is a completely rebuilt 1.8 16v. I've
> > > > > > installed it in Rolling Roc ('87)
> > > > > > >but can't get it to run. Ignition is operating,
> > > > > > fuel system is operating.
> > > > > > >The only thing left is the valve timing. I've been
> > > > > > mixing and matching
> > > > > > >things for three days now and I can't get it. I
> > > > > > have assumed that the timing
> > > > > > >marks on the cam gear indicate TDC. However it
> > > > > > appears that the v belt
> > > > > > >pulley is 90 deg. from TDC according to the dial
> > > > > > indicator in #1 cylinder
> > > > > > >and the marks on the flywheel. The v belt pulley
> > > > > > is "keyed" so that it can
> > > > > > >be installed only one way. What have I missed here?
> > > > > > Is the valve timing set
> > > > > > >up somewhere other than TDC?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Rick Alexander
> > > > > > >http://www.brubakerbox.com
> > > > > > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
> > > > > > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dunno...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would do a compression check, that should tell you
> > > > > > if the valve timing is right.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I installed my 16V, I had to lift up on the air
> > > > > > flow plate to start it for the first time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter - Bear Delaware 19701
> > > > > > '79 Scirocco 16V, '83 & '84 GTI
> > > > > > '79, '81, '84, '84=BD, '88 Sciroccos
> > > > > > http://thescirocco.com
> > > > > > Peloquin LSD
> > > > > > http://www.techtonicstuning.com
> > > > > > http://autotech.com
> > > > > > http://www.quaifeamerica.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check it out: http://feedbyte.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > Chris DeLong
> > > ICQ#45030867
> > > Seattle, WA USA
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