3 VWs and not ONE that runs... uh, help!

[pellom@YorkU.CA (Sal Guzzo)]

Dan,

If you want to determine if the realy is the problem, temporarily use a
jumper wire with a switch attached to it.

I had a similar problem where I blew the fuel pump relay and decided to use
a switch instead.

Try that and then you will know whether or not the relay ir defunct...

HTH

Sal

----- Original Message -----
From: "DAN" <sciroccodriver@yahoo.com>
To: <scirocco-L@scirocco.org>
Cc: <ncvwlist@ncvw.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: 3 VWs and not ONE that runs... uh, help!


> 79 rocco - ummmm many problems
> 92 passat - trashed front end... want WHOLE parts car
> 87 16V.... the real problem behind this email...
> Long...
> OK, few weeks ago I told of my electrical gremlin
> where a relay was clicking and the car wanted to
> stall.  I found that it was the fuel pump relay
> clicking and carried a spare until one day the car
> wouldn't start at all.  Switcharoo and about 3 cranks
> later the car started.  I thought that problem was
> gone however I switched back the relay that night with
> no problems and it has run for weeks...
> Last night I started the car and it spit and sputtered
> a LOT with lots of relay clicking.  I got to my
> destination but barely got home. The car completely
> died a couple times and didn't want to start up again.
>  This morning I went out and switched ALL the relays
> just for the hell of it to no avail.  The car would
> not start at ALL with just little sputters.  At that
> time I'm thinking spark, fuel, compression so I start
> testing.  I find that there's good spark/coil and then
> I tested everything the bentley says to on the 25pin
> ECU connector. All things checked out fine with
> respect to voltage and ohms. At this point I know its
> an electrical problem but I don't think its ignition.
> I got under the car and had the lovely wife turn the
> keys on and off so I could make sure the fuel pumps
> were both coming on and they were.  Then I replaced
> the car's ECU just for the hell of it and that didn't
> work either.
> Sooo, then I sat there and cranked the bitch(its her
> name/always has been so don't get upset) for at least
> 10 minutes and finally got her to start. Spitttt
> spuuutt sputtt spit sputtter with relay clicks and a
> very bouncy(as in NOT right) tachometer BUT I brought
> her up to about 4k rpm and she started runnin better.
> I heard a few sweet sounding backfires too.  Anyways,
> so I got it running sorta but its still trying to
> stall and such thus I've gotten nowhere.
> I'm thinking that my 209k mile fuel pumps are shorting
> somehow.  Can I check that with the connectors on the
> pump?  Anybody got any ideas? I wish I had already
> checked if anything was coming out of the fuel
> injectors when it wasn't starting but I guess I'll do
> that again if/when it doesn't start.   Thanks in
> advance for any help and sorry for the long winded
> letter.... I'm just screwed here with a crying hungry
> baby,no friggn car, and a wife that really isn't
> enjoying my VW addiction.  :-)
> PLEASE CC ME DIRECT - I'm on digest...
>
> =====
> Dan May - Greensboro NC
> 1992 16V Passat
> 1987 16V Scirocco
> 1979 Scirocco
> 1972 Harley Davidson Rapido(Handlebars WANTED!)
> http://members.aol.com/scirocco87
> "I got soul and I'm super-bad."  -James Brown
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