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OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
- Subject: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
- From: ty@festf.org (Tyler P.)
- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:47:14 -0700
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I dunno about the new ones though. I mean the echo is about the most awful
looking vehicle on the road, the new celica looks like a riced Hyundai
Tiberon, the 4 Runner has been turned into an SUV (its lost all of its
Pickup roots), the trucks all have small worthless beds (even the Tundra).
I think the camary is the only nice one left and as far as I know they made
the 2002 just as ugly as the rest of them. Oh, and the Avalon is nice
indeed. I think I really just don't like the last 2 years of them cause the
camary use to look very nice, so did the pickups, and the supra and celica
from 96 or so was sweet! But the 80's were where it was at.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Ewing [mailto:rabbit16v@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:15 PM
To: Scirocco List
Subject: Re: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
Man, Tyler, something else we agree on!! I use to work at a Toyota
dealership and from then on out I have liked Toyotas more than any other
asian car. Look at the Lexus!! One of the top, if not the top, Luxury cars
from Japan! Still think it's funny that people pay so much for a renamed
Toyota though!! Just buy an Avalon, cheaper and VERY nice cars! And the
Landcruiser!!! One of my favorites!! Old and New! Anyway, I still love
VWs though and will probably for a long time.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler P. <mailto:ty@festf.org>
To: List (E-mail) <mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
Heck, my family has owned 3 Toyotas and I have never felt that they were
light feeling. I feel that way about pretty much every new car except some
German autos but we've had an 80 pickup, 84 Celica, and an 82 or 84
Cressida. The Cressida was the only one with problems and that was all
electircal. The Celica needed to be rolled twice before it was undrivable
(the first roll hardly dented it), and the Pickup has hit so many things
that it should have died long ago but its still running strong with close to
300,000 miles on the engine and that's with hardly ever changing oil (we
kinda are waiting for it to die). The only asian cars I really don't like
are honda's and acuras and thats mainly cause I find them uncomfortable and
underpowered, overrated, and overriced. I think Toyotas have gotten ugly
but they are still my favorite company of the 80's. Heck, the only reason
that I bought a scirocco was because I was looking for a celica or supra
hatchback and thought the scirocco looked just as cool. I still plan on
getting an 84 Supra or something, as long as its the good looking hatch
back. And I would argue with anybody who says that old toyota's have no
character.
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talking about!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Diamond Dave [mailto:dbarwick@sprynet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:08 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
Anyone ever wondered why Japanese cars get all the really cool performance
goodies? Limited slip differential (FWD & RWD), aluminum suspension parts,
aluminum braking components, lightweight wheels, and small, efficient
ancillary parts (radiators, alternators) are things that the German folk
just don't get unless you go into the high $30K's.
Case in point. I'm a huge Nissan fan at the moment. A good friend of mine is
doing phenomenal things with the SR20 engines. The SR20 (N/A and Turbo) is a
performance engine I wish we had for sure. ~140hp aluminum, 2L, with a
7300rpm redline. The engines come in several forms including one with
variable valve timing. I just drove an SR20 powered '66 Datsun Roadster on a
1200 mile road trip to Mt Shasta (and Thunderhill Raceway); this was earlier
this month when the temperatures were above 110. On the fourth day of our
trip I realized that it wasn't mandatory to chirp the tires into 3rd gear
every time (although winding it out to it's re-mapped 7800rpm redline in 2nd
gear was).
I also got some seat time in a 1990 240SX with 234k miles. It was the recent
recipient of an SR20DET (s13) engine; ~200hp stock. That car was simply
amazing. Well balanced and quick to say the least. The chassis itself was
still in great condition and the interior was actually in decent shape.
If you can't respect the company, at least respect the machines.
Diamond Dave
88 Scirocco http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm
<http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm>
84 Jetta GLI http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg
<http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg>
Portland, OR
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<DIV><SPAN class=553244522-25072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
dunno about the new ones though. I mean the echo is about the most awful
looking vehicle on the road, the new celica looks like a riced Hyundai
Tiberon, the 4 Runner has been turned into an SUV (its lost all of its Pickup
roots), the trucks all have small worthless beds (even the Tundra). I
think the camary is the only nice one left and as far as I know they made the
2002 just as ugly as the rest of them. Oh, and the Avalon is nice
indeed. I think I really just don't like the last 2 years of them cause
the camary use to look very nice, so did the pickups, and the supra and celica
from 96 or so was sweet! But the 80's were where it was at.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Ewing
[mailto:rabbit16v@attbi.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:15
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Scirocco List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OT: German vs. Japanese
car comparison<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Man, Tyler, something else we agree on!! I use to
work at a Toyota dealership and from then on out I have liked Toyotas more
than any other asian car. Look at the Lexus!! One of the top, if
not the top, Luxury cars from Japan! Still think it's funny that people
pay so much for a renamed Toyota though!! Just buy an Avalon, cheaper
and VERY nice cars! And the Landcruiser!!! One of my
favorites!! Old and New! Anyway, I still love VWs though and will
probably for a long time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ty@festf.org href="mailto:ty@festf.org";>Tyler P.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org
href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>List (E-mail)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: OT: German vs. Japanese
car comparison</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN class=396464321-25072002>Heck, my
family has owned 3 Toyotas and I have never felt that they were light
feeling. I feel that way about pretty much every new car except some
German autos but we've had an 80 pickup, 84 Celica, and an 82 or
84 Cressida. The Cressida was the only one with problems and that
was all electircal. The Celica needed to be rolled twice before it was
undrivable (the first roll hardly dented it), and the Pickup has hit so
many things that it should have died long ago but its still running strong
with close to 300,000 miles on the engine and that's with hardly ever
changing oil (we kinda are waiting for it to die). The only asian cars
I really don't like are honda's and acuras and thats mainly cause I find
them uncomfortable and underpowered, overrated, and overriced. I think
Toyotas have gotten ugly but they are still my favorite company of the
80's. Heck, the only reason that I bought a scirocco was because I was
looking for a celica or supra hatchback and thought the scirocco looked just
as cool. I still plan on getting an 84 Supra or something, as
long as its the good looking hatch back. And I would argue with
anybody who says that old toyota's have no character.
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that's what I'm talking about!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Diamond Dave
[mailto:dbarwick@sprynet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:08
PM<BR><B>To:</B> scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: OT: German
vs. Japanese car comparison<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002>Anyone ever wondered why Japanese cars get all
the really cool performance goodies? Limited slip differential (FWD &
RWD), aluminum suspension parts, aluminum braking components, lightweight
wheels, and small, efficient ancillary parts (radiators, alternators) are
things that the German folk just don't get unless you go into the high
$30K's.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002>Case in point. I'm a huge Nissan fan at the
moment. A good friend of mine is doing phenomenal things with the SR20
engines. The SR20 (N/A and Turbo) is a performance engine I wish we
had for sure. ~140hp aluminum, 2L, with a 7300rpm redline. The engines
come in several forms including one with variable valve timing. I just
drove an SR20 powered '66 Datsun Roadster on a 1200 mile road trip to Mt
Shasta (and Thunderhill Raceway); this was earlier this month when the
temperatures were above 110. On the fourth day of our trip I realized that
it wasn't mandatory to chirp the tires into 3rd gear every time (although
winding it out to it's re-mapped 7800rpm redline in 2nd gear
was).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002>I also got some seat time in a 1990 240SX with
234k miles. It was the recent recipient of an SR20DET (s13) engine; ~200hp
stock. That car was simply amazing. Well balanced and quick to say the
least. The chassis itself was still in great condition and the interior
was actually in decent shape.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002>If you can't respect the company, at least
respect the machines.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=990452914-25072002>
<P><FONT size=2>Diamond Dave<BR>88 Scirocco <A
href="http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm";
target=_blank>http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm</A><BR>84 Jetta
GLI <A href="http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg";
target=_blank>http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg</A><BR>Portland,
OR</FONT> </P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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