Home from Waterfest

[mkii@nycap.rr.com (Josh Able)]

as for judging next year, Im told by Cammissa that he wont be showing, and
that he is willing to be a judge so that it might actually get done RIGHT.

I was told to go to Super Mod because I had a 1.8t swap. If it was a 16v
with a turbo that's different, though in your case 2 engines will put you a
tad over the top.

I say we start pushing right now for a Scirocco Super Mod class, after all
we had 4-5 cars this year that should have been there. Richs car, and my
car, along with assorted other swaps should not be judged next to cars like
Jason's, Daves, the others, it isn't fair to anybody that way.


Josh Able

"If you're already walking on thin ice, you might as well dance." -Gil
Atkinson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@comcast.net>
To: "Josh Able" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Home from Waterfest


>     those are very good points. i ought to register the twin in 'modified'
and just keep the damned
> hatch shut. i'm not in it to compete with all those chromed out dumbasses
(no offense to those with
> polished manifolds, those arent chrome).
>     out of curiosity, what was the exact criteria for modified or super
modified? also, who do we
> need to talk to in order to get this crap straightened out before next
year? i'm not coming if its
> gonna be yet another judging nightmare. at the very least i will show with
the twin, pay for the
> better parking spot, and ask that it NOT be judged, just to get everyone
scratching their heads and
> asking questions.
> Al
>
> Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> 87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 180k, rocco #6)
> 86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
> 86.5 Occo 16v Trailer (dotting 'i's across the country, rocco #8)
> 87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch,
driveshafts, wheels :)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Able" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
> To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Home from Waterfest
>
>
> > well...were to start this rant?
> >
> > oh yeah.
> >
> > Ok, when I registered for WF a few months ago, I spoke to 2 separate
people
> > on the phone, and 1 via email. One of these people was Peter (owner of
Rapid
> > Parts). I wanted to be in Scirocco Modified, but I was told I should be
in
> > Super Modified. If I choose to go into the Modified class my 1.8t engine
> > swap would be judged as a stock 16v engine/I would just get "base"
points
> > for having an engine since the 1.8t swap was to much for the class.
> >
> > Ok, I get to WF, I go to super mod (please don't take this personally)
and I
> > sit next to trailered cars (all non-Sciroccos) that are "museum" pieces,
all
> > chrome/etc. Im bummed, but I took it in stride figuring I did this swap,
its
> > my fault. After a little while I wander over to the other side of the
show
> > and check out the Sciroccos and what do I see in Modified? 2 other 1.8t
> > swaps and a vr6 with a big bottle in the hatch...hmm....I start to get
> > pissed..
> >
> >
> > I wander around and ask some of the other owners what the deal was, and
what
> > the judges said. Well, it turns out the judges were so goddamn dumb that
> > they didn't even know that 1.8ts did NOT come in Sciroccos, and 2, they
knew
> > nothing about VWs because they were Honda people.
> >
> > I left a few minutes after this because I knew if I stayed to see the
> > results I would have another incident along the lines of the McDonalds
> > crises at Cincy.
> >
> > Sure enough, Rich gets 1st, Jason Cammisa gets second, and Dave gets
3rd.
> > Now don't get me wrong, all three cars are very very nice. But when the
guy
> > who gets 1st has a full body kit and a 1.8t swap (2 of the reasons I was
> > told NOT to be in the class) it kinda pisses me off. To the credit of
Rich
> > and Cammissa, they both fully agree that the judges were complete
idiots,
> > hell they didn't even notice a massive rip in Richs seat!
> >
> > Last year a person took 3rd that was NOT even at the show, and Brett was
> > awarded 1st in Modified Scirocco, and in Super Modified, this year they
> > couldn't provide one judge that knew what a Scirocco was, and they also
> > couldn't judge according to their own goddamn rules.
> >
> > Last year I defended WF, this year it was to frigging much. I thing
WF/Rapid
> > should send out apologies to every Scirocco in the show along with free
> > passes for next year.
> >
> >
> > Josh Able
> >
> > "If you're already walking on thin ice, you might as well dance." -Gil
> > Atkinson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@comcast.net>
> > To: <richdeede@scirocco20v.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: Home from Waterfest
> >
> >
> > > It did seem though as
> > > > there were fewer lister present than in years past. I hope this
> > > > doesnt become an increasing trend.
> > >
> > > not surprising after last years judging fiasco. this contributed to me
not
> > showing this year.
> > >
> > > > Now my biggest gripe about the show was something I saw coming.
> > > > The judging of the scirocco modified class. This year was
> > > > definitely the weakest/poorest judging I have seen to date.
> > >
> > > not again...
> > >
> > > > I knew the results would turn out interesting when I started
> > > > talking to the judges and they told me they just got in to VW's
> > > > and were Honda guys up to a few months ago.
> > >
> > > i thought this judging thing was resolved. how can honda guys be
judging
> > sciroccos???
> > >
> > > > They knew absolutely
> > > > nothing about Sciroccos. I'd be surprised if they knew what a
> > > > scirocco was at this time last year.
> > >
> > > ...much like the people that come up to me asking what the rieger is.
> > >
> > > > I have a huge rip in my seat which I know that they didn't even see.
> > >
> > > hrm, this makes me nervous. next year i plan to show with a twin
engine
> > scirocco. i bet it doesnt
> > > place because they didnt notice the rear engine! wait a sec, i got an
> > idea. how about i drag the
> > > twin, not entering it in the show. that way i can be a scirocco judge.
> > being nuclear trained i would
> > > of course have a checklist of hits to determine the points. i surely
would
> > catch the infamous ripped
> > > scirocco seat. im sure other listers would be willing to not enter
their
> > sciroccos in the interest
> > > of coherent judging on our cars. when one person gets misjudged, it
pisses
> > everyone off, even if
> > > they benefit from the error (Brett from last year (2 trophies), for
> > example).
> > >
> > > > I'll still go as I enjoy myself and hanging out with the listers
> > > > each year.
> > >
> > > Same here, but i had to make an exception this year. too much stuff
going
> > on here.
> > >
> > > Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> > > 87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 180k, rocco #6)
> > > 86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
> > > 86.5 Occo 16v Trailer (dotting 'i's across the country, rocco #8)
> > > 87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original
clutch,
> > driveshafts, wheels :)
> > >
> > >
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