[Re: OT- Drooling at the VW dealer today]

[jdbubb@ix.netcom.com (Dan Bubb)]

I agree with the basic sentiment that engineers should have good
hands-on experience with assembly and maintenance of the products they
design, but as cars have more and more features and equipment and trend
toward more and more passenger and storage volume something will have to
give. And inevitably, this will mean more stuff will have to be
dismantled to reach some things and it will be harder to get to stuff to
dismantle it.
So, two thoughts; 1) from a maintenance point of view the O2 sensor is
pretty far down the ladder. 2) mechanics will always find SOMETHING to
bitch about.
I'm also not too sure I'm going to cry my eyes out for the poor
mechanics making only $20/hr. Riiight!

ATS - Patrick Bureau wrote:
> 
> I have said it once and I have mumbbled it many times since I own cars...
> 
> Design Engineers for cars should have a mandatory 2 years as a mechanic in a
> garage before they are allowed to design anything on a car
> 
> maybe one day we will have cars that make sence in the way they are put
> together, meanwhile mechanic continue to break knuckles and earn 20$/hour
> while the designer/engineers make over 100K/year
> 
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> ATS - Patrick Bureau
> 1985 8v **Planning 3A/JH  Upgrade**
> 1988 16v ** Euro Project/maybe 8v **
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> =>-----Original Message-----
> =>From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> =>[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Cathy Boyko
> =>Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:19 AM
> =>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> =>Subject: Re: [Re: OT- Drooling at the VW dealer today]
> =>
> =>
> =>"Foxx (in a box)" <foxxinabox@copper.net> wrote:
> =>> I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the W8 wagon--someone
> =>reported to some
> =>> list that the Passat W8 requires partial engine disassembly to
> =>replace the
> =>> O2 sensor,with a $1500 bill.Granted,if you can pay $40K + for
> =>this car,it
> =>> may be of no consequence.However,I think that VW could have
> =>engineered this
> =>> one a little better.What's wrong with having it on the downpipe
> =>like it has
> =>> been?? Ken R.
> =>
> =>  don't know if it was me or not, but that was the point i was trying to
> =>make earlier. talking to one of the techs at work that went to school
> =>for it said it was a nice engine and all, but he wasn't looking forward
> =>to working on it.
> =>
> =>Foxx, it was likely me, I had a long chat with a VW tech in the
> =>staging lanes,
> =>and he wasn't thrilled with the O2 sensor location, and said
> =>there was a lot
> =>of dissassembly required to access them. It is a part you should
> =>be able to
> =>get to, but then again, there have been lots of inconvenient
> =>things designed
> =>into engines. Myself, I'd wait a year or two, let someone else
> =>iron the bugs
> =>out first. But this coming from one with a few "first year" things in the
> =>driveway.
> =>
> =>
> =>
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