drilling bottom or air box

[sfenton@amazon.com (Fenton, Shannon)]

When you get to 155hp with 138ftlbs of torque to the wheels you can call =
(my) ram air setup ugly. Till then, see you on the street. That's all I =
wanted to point out. For some of us there is very little left to do.=20


Shannon
www.scirocco16v.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc scirocco Qu=E9bec [mailto:marc_scirocco@yahoo.ca]=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:35 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: drilling bottom or air box

 --- "Fenton, Shannon" <sfenton@amazon.com> a =E9crit :
> How much HP is your "serious" motor putting to the
> wheels?

Zero HP!!! 'cause it has eight bent valves...

But, I am building a fun motor: 9A long block, 83mm 8V
pistons. Niuspeed TB, port matched ported Intake
Manifold, port matched 4-2 manifold, TT 2" exhaust.
G-Grind (I'm too old for a wilder cam ;) ). I will put
a solid 8V JH head, will port match it, 3-angle valve
job. I also threw away the AC, and installed lighter
euro bumpers. At this point, I might also want to lose
20 pounds myself ;0

I will probably never dyno it, too cheap for that. I
don't think it is a "serious motor", just a fun motor
to drive around town.

I sense that you might have been offended by my
comments, was not my intentions.

If you like the effect of the ram air intake,  keep it
that's all there is to it. You might start to see 1-2
HP above 120MPH perhaps? Eh I used to do this on all
my Chevys, reverse the air filter top box for a
"racier" sounding motor. It never made the Chevys
faster...

Cheers.

Marc
'83 Scirocco
'88 Scirocco Slegato

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> Shannon
> www.scirocco16v.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc scirocco Qu=E9bec
> [mailto:marc_scirocco@yahoo.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:31 PM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: RE: drilling bottom or air box
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> What is it with you guys, the stock setup does just
> that: it draws cold air from behind the front
> bumper.
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> If you think that it goes faster, you had better
> come
> up with serious numbers, or else it it just snake
> oil.
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> As an added bonus, IMHO it looks ugly. I ain't
> putting
> no kitchen ducting in my Scirocco...
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> Please get serious, get real improvement to your
> motor, something that will work. Exhaust, Cam,
> porting...
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> Cheers.
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> Marc
> '83 Scirocco
> '88 Scirocco Slegato
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>  --- "Fenton, Shannon" <sfenton@amazon.com> a =E9crit
> :
> > It does work great under certain circumstances. As
> I
> > mention in the
> > write up this something your really only going to
> > feel when its nice and
> > cold/dense outside. Hey its like 4 bucks, what
> have
> > you got to loose.
> > When I switched to the pipercross airbox I took
> the
> > ram air out since it
> > made difference when it wasnt funneling the air
> > directly into the
> > airbox.
> > =20
> >=20
> > Shannon
> >=20
> > www.scirocco16v.com
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott F. Williams
> [mailto:sfwilliams@home.com]
> >=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:15 AM
> > To: Jeff Toomasson; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: RE: drilling bottom or air box
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> >=20
> > The ram air effect is fairly insignificant. What
> is critically
> > important is that you pull cold air into the
> motor. That's
> > really where you get
> > your gains. The set up that you just posted the
> link
> > for would work
> > great in this respect.
> > --
> > Scott F. Williams
> > NJ Scirocco nut
> > '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> > Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> > Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> > ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
> >=20
> > Check out our rally team's website!
> http://www.usrallyteam.com
> > <http://www.usrallyteam.com/>
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Toomasson [mailto:jtoomasson@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:11 PM
> > To: Scott F. Williams; Ryan Ruggles; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: drilling bottom or air box
> >=20
> >=20
> > What about a ram-air ductwork setup?
> > =20
> > http://scirocco16v.com/tech/ramair.htm
> > =20
> > I've been eyeing this for a while, but I'm not
> going
> > to try anything
> > until I get the 2.0 in...
> >=20
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott F.  <mailto:sfwilliams@home.com>
> > Williams
> > To: Ryan Ruggles <mailto:ryanruggles@uniserve.com>
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> > ;
> > scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:03 AM
> > Subject: RE: drilling bottom or air box
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> > Yes, letting hot nasty engine bay air into your
> > motor will help reduce
> > harmful horsepower. In fact, you lose about one hp
> > for ever 10deg
> > increase in air temperature. Go for it!
> > --
> > Scott F. Williams
> > NJ Scirocco nut
> > '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> > Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> > Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> > ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
> >=20
> > Check out our rally team's website!
> http://www.usrallyteam.com
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of
> Ryan Ruggles
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:55 PM
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: drilling bottom or air box
> >=20
> >=20
> > Does drilling out the bottom of the air box really
> > do anything
> > performance wise or is that bs?
> > =20
> > Ryan
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> > =20
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