Suspension travel modification?

[vince@performancecarstereo.com (Vince Royer)]

Wow, I absolutely must.  Who's got the hookup?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Marc Scirocco Quebec
> Sent: December 24, 2002 2:07 PM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: RE: Suspension travel modification?
>
>
> You have to find pictures of Fred's yellow Scirocco suspension
> work. It has
> relocated suspension points. It is slammed to the ground, but with regular
> suspension travel. I don't know if he is on this list. I have
> seen pictures
> of his mods on the internet somewhere, but can't find it.
>
> <<http://www.vwquebec.ca/images/events/BBQ2002/imagepages/vwq-BBQ-
> 16.html>>
> <<http://www.vwquebec.ca/images/events/BBQ2002/imagepages/vwq-BBQ-
> 12.html>>
>
> Cheers.
>
> Marc
> '83 Scirocco
> '88 Scirocco Slegato
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]De la part de Vince Royer
> Envoye : 24 decembre, 2002 16:15
> A : Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Objet : RE: Suspension travel modification?
>
>
> I would love to modify my suspension travel so that I can tuck
> all my wheels
> deep into my fenders and still have stock-like handling.  mmmm...
>
> I figure I would have to rework the front upper strut mounts, notch the
> frame, and somehow modify the pickup points as mentioned below to save the
> geometry from getting too screwed up.  I think that would be dope.
>
> Vince
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Neal Tovsen
> > Sent: December 24, 2002 11:57 AM
> > To: Drew Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: Suspension travel modification?
> >
> >
> > > Is there a
> > > suspension setup that
> > > would effectively increase the suspension travel for
> > > off-road applications?
> > > That would be worth doing, even if not to race, just
> > > to off-road.  It would
> > > be nice to be able to use larger tires, too. (clear
> > > the wheelwells?)
> > > Something tells me it might end up taking a decent
> > > amount of fabrication.
> >
> > Well, the A1 suspension travel really isn't all that
> > short. If you want to see an example of a short-travel
> > suspension, take a look at a Neon sometime.
> >
> > However, it isn't very long either, and as we
> > discussed, there are much better choices than an A1
> > for rally or off-road use. The Subaru Impreza, for
> > example, has HUGE suspension travel compared to the
> > Scirocco (gee...maybe that has something to do with a
> > certain WRC design strategy!).
> >
> > The Scirocco's droop suspension travel could be
> > lengthened with custom extra-long struts, but I would
> > guess that it would cause toe and camber problems if
> > you extend the control arm too much further down than
> > stock.
> >
> > You could theoretically also increase the bump
> > suspension travel quite a ways without hitting the
> > fender with the tire as long as you don't run a huge
> > tire. Running a shorter body strut would give you some
> > extra travel. However, you'll find that the limiting
> > factor is when the driveshaft contacts the frame rail,
> > especially on the longer passenger side shaft. This is
> > a major headache for Street-Prepared autocross cars
> > who can't lower the car like they want. The
> > Prepared-class autocrossers are allowed to notch the
> > frame rail and reinforce it to allow for more bump
> > travel.
> >
> > I'm personally considering mimicing the Golf Syncro
> > front driveshaft layout (without the differential)
> > someday in the future for my Street Modified Scirocco.
> > It actually utilizes equal-length CV joints by
> > relocating the passenger side CV ouboard closer to the
> > framerail (mirroring the driver's side). With the CV
> > joint moved to near the frame rail, you can get more
> > upward articulation before the driveshaft contacts the
> > frame.
> >
> > In the end, it is difficult to modify a strut
> > suspension for longer travel than it was designed for.
> > The dynamic camber and toe changes make things
> > difficult unless you plan to relocate the strut and
> > control arm pickup points...
> >
> > Neal
> >
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