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i have a question about how much my car's been lowered.

i have about 5 mm of clearance in the front and 10mm in the rear between the top of my tire and the fender lip. im running 195/60-14s on ST springs and turbogas dampers, anyone have an idea of how far my car is dropped?

anyways, my car is very harsh, but i think its the worn/mutilated suspension, not just the ride height. i rarely bottom out unless i hit a LARGE bump, and i bet it would bottom out most other cars at that size.

ill look at my A arms today and see how they are situated.

--- Jason <jason@scirocco.org> wrote:
>At 06:47 PM 8/17/2002, Scott F. Williams wrote:
>
>>Hey, guess what? You are correct that the 3" estimate was off by a little
>>bit. I just took a Bilstein HD front insert and measured the extended and
>>compressed lengths. I got 21.5" and 17.625" respectively. Do the subtraction
>>and you'll find that the suspension travel comes to 3.875". Whoops, I was
>>off by an almost an inch. Still with a 3" drop you'd be left with just
>>around 1/2" compression travel. That ain't enough to escape the extreme
>
>Wait Scott -- not exactly.  According to your calculation, the shocks would 
>be at full extension at rest.  That's certainly not the case.  So what you 
>meant to say was that from "Airborne" to "Slammed" is 3.875".  That means 
>total travel from normal ride height is probably closer to half of 
>that.  Read: Less than TWO inches of Jounce.
>
>Now -- I have H&R Sport Springs (Progressive) that lowered the front of the 
>car approximately 0.75".  The A-Arms are horizontal -- i.e. parallel to the 
>ground.  I have about 0.75" of suspension travel left from static ride 
>height until bump-stop.  That's with the bump stop cut down to half of its 
>original size.  I was about 0.25" from the bump stop before I cut it.
>
>So with 0.75" of travel now, plus 0.75" of drop, we were looking at 
>something like 1.5" jounce suspension travel STOCK.  Let's say 2.0" to be 
>on the nice side.  Therefore, anything more than a 2" drop is physically 
>impossible without coilovers.
>
>Vince, you do what you want -- but Scott's right.... Don't expect anything 
>more than a 1.5" drop to be driveable.  In fact, I wouldn't lower my 
>Scirocco a whole inch - you're sacrificing handling, ride, and safety for 
>no benefit other than having a low car.  But again -- do what you want, 
>just don't expect many people to want to ride in your car.  And I wouldn't 
>take it over 50km/h -- that thing will be suicide on wheels the first time 
>you need to panic brake or make an emergency lane change...
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>
>>danger zone.
>>
>>My advice holds water. You'll either constantly bottom out your struts with
>>regular springs or will be forced to run incredibly stiff springs and
>>revalved dampers to keep everything from crashing together in dramatic
>>fashion.
>>
>> > I think if I use the strut mounts (camber plates), with a nice 1.5" - 2"
>> > drop on the suspension, I can enjoy a 3" drop without too much headache.
>>
>>I agree. Just don't even think of attempting this without those camber
>>plates installed! Now, think of how amazing your handling performance could
>>be if you kept it at a normal ride height. :^) Whatever, you're on the right
>>track now.
>>--
>>Scott F. Williams
>>NJ Scirocco nut
>>'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
>>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
>>Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
>>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
>>
>>
>>
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