H&R G Springs

[vince@performancecarstereo.com (Vince Royer)]

That camber plate is exactly what I'm talking about. An inch of drop without
changing travel.

How does everyone figure we have exactly 3" of travel?  My car's already
lowered and I'm measuring at least 4" from rest to bumpstop, with full
length bumpers in good condition. I know there's not much travel, but 3
inches seems quite exagerrated.

I think if I use the strut mounts (camber plates), with a nice 1.5" - 2"
drop on the suspension, I can enjoy a 3" drop without too much headache.

Can anybody answer my question about the A arm angle?  At what suspension
height is the arm horizontal?

-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Scott F. Williams
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:16 PM
To: Vince Royer; Allyn
Cc: Scirocco List
Subject: RE: H&R G Springs


The point here is not how you eventually get to a 2.5" or 3" drop. The issue
at hand is whatever drop you end up with. You can use progressive or linear
rates. You can buy the springs that way or cut them. In terms of suspension
travel it doesn't matter a bit. Assuming that you maintain the original
mounting geometry, a 3" drop is a 3" drop no matter how you achieve it.

Slamming the suspension 3" will leave you with NO travel at all. NONE. ZERO.
ZIPPO. You will ride on the bumpstops every minute that you drive the car.
(I'll give you about an hour before you destroy the dampers completely.
Maybe the chassis will last a month of paranoid driving before you rip the
strut towers out the front end.) Dropping it 2.5" will leave you with just
1/2" compression and droop. Hit a 1/2" high obstacle and you are likely to
bottom. Install enough spring to keep the suspension from bottoming and
you'll crash over every imperfection with a bang.

Does this sound like a remotely rational thing to do with your car?

Now... if you install something like this:
<http://www.opmmotorsports.com/products/vw/a1chassis/vwa1_opmcamberkit.html>

...then you'll be able to regain 1" of travel by moving the mounting point
upwards. I've got one of these installed in my Scirocco which has been
dropped about an inch. I'd offer you some test drive results, but I have yet
to drive the car. :^)

Anyway... I can't recommend dropping the car any more than 1.5" in a
"normal" configuration. With these plates installed, you can bring the thing
down to a very low 2.5". I am unsure, however, whether installing this
camber plate necessitates the use of coilovers. Call OPM Motorsports about
that: (770) 886-8199.
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."

> Ok, So you had a progressive spring, and the couple hundred extra pounds
> compressed them through the soft part. So don't you think The
> hundred pounds
> I took off of my front end will make a difference?  Not to mention I'm
> getting linear springs, not progressive. Also not to mention they're A2
> springs, so they're designed for a lot more weight in the first place.  So
> this would be like taking 16V springs and putting them on your 8V, only
> shorter. I know as soon as the A arms angle the other way you
> start screwing
> things.  Anybody know exactly how much drop makes them sit horizontal?
>
> That's the reason I'm thinking about the taller upper mounts. That would
> essentially act like a body drop. It would make the body sit lower on the
> suspension, without changing anything about the suspension.  The
> only issue
> would be tire rub, but I'm only on 15s, and I never plan to go any bigger.



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