RE: anyone seen a G60 with a 16v head? (16v power options)

["BHonnold" <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>]

Sure, I'll elaborate on the items you need to use a 16v head on an 8v block.
I mistakenly said Waterpump in my original post, that should have read oil
pump.

Anywho.....you need the 16v lower crank pulley, the 16v oil pump because it
has the gear on top, the 16v intermediate shaft because it has the right
gear on the end for the 16v pump and the 16v intermediate shaft pulley won't
fit on the 8v shaft.  Hopefully we are all aware that 16v and 8v pulleys are
different both in the number of teeth and the spacing.

I'll throw a couple things in here just for the sake of discussion.  The 16v
Badger5 setup that guys are tossing around is a great option to get 200HP.
Cost is $1100 or so for the system, then you need injectors, and aftermarket
engine management such as SDS, TECII, Autronic or others.  Also, you gotta
pay someone to put the thing together if your not a top notch mechanic.
Tuning is another issue as you will need access to a dyno to really make the
setup perform at it's huge potential.  So I would say $2500-$3000 total.
The Coolness factor of this setup is the best reason to do it.

Turbo on a 16v can be done with stock engine management and low boost
netting 200 crank HP for roughly half the price.  Custom turbo setup with
aftermarket engine managment will get you to a 200HP at the wheel easily and
up to 300HP potential for around $3000

G60 or other charger on a 16v is probably the hardest of all due to fitment
problems and tuning.

If your in California or any other Nazi Smog state, non of these options are
good as non are smog legal so if you don't have a hookup to slide through
the visual inspection you either never register the car legally again, or
you tear the system out every couple of years for the smog test.

Anyone who wants to banter this stuff about can get me at AOL IM Ragtop78 or
hang on Allyns IRC server.....my tent is always pitched there.

BcH

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
[mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Brian Haygood
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:51 PM
To: Scirocco-l
Subject: Re: anyone seen a G60 with a 16v head?


You might could just hook a G60 up to a 2.0l 16v engine, but then the G60 is
such a large, heavy overgrown beast that that probably isn't a decent idea.
Why not a turbo, or other type of supercharger?  - or of course Badger 5.
It sounds like the Badger can get about as much hp out of these engines as
they can really handle.  A more modern 1.8T might be a better option if you
want to get more power than that.  No real basis for that except that stock
twin turbo 1.8T's hit 225hp, so they are probably more suited to handling
more power than that than our engines are ( I think someone was shooting for
400hp from a 1.8t derived system.  That was in a twin engine A4 GTI, so
that's 800hp total).    200+ is apparently a reasonable and relatively
simple target with the Badger 5, so why not.

> you could put 1.8 16v pistons in it but you have to change the lower crank
> pulley, water pump and intermediate shaft. Also you gotta block off the
> distributor hole.

You can ditch the water pump and use an electric water pump.  That gives you
a few hp, the ability to cool a non-running engine, and allows higher revs
without worrying about pump cavitation.  I'm not sure why you would have to
swap imtermediate shafts.  I don't know tons about these particular engines,
but doesn't that shaft just turn the distributor and/or oil pump?  Can't see
what that has to do with the head, assuming that you aren't using a
distributor.  Honnold, can you elucidate this for us?

Don't use the stock fuel management from anything.  Get a programmable fuel
injection and ignition unit (or a separate unit for each).  They will be
much better at dealing with compression ratio changes or anything else that
isn't stock.  Besides, the ignition on these cars is a bit weak.   These are
the same type systems you'd use with a Badger 5, so...

>
> Best/only option is to source out a 2.0 16v shortblock for you 16v head
and
> then think about Badger5
>
> BcH
>

True.  True.

BwH

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