RE: r-134a a/c conversion q's

["Curt Voss" <curtv@eudoramail.com>]

Dat's right, and bring lotsa small unmarked bills in a old suitcase, nowaddimean?

My understanding (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Freon itself isn't illegal, it's illegal to manufacture it in the U.S. & some other countries. The stuff the shops are putting in your A/C was stockpiled years ago. Once the stockpile runs out, probably in in a year or two, no more Freon. But this guy told me he's already gotten a shipment he could tell was black market (don't ask me how) and sent it back, and he expects the black marketers to get sly enough to repackage it so no one can tell it's not from a legal stockpile.

Just imagine next time you cross the border - helicopters hovering overhead while the Freon-sniffing dogs go through your car...

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Curt

'86 Scirocco 8V
'82 Scirocco 1.8
'81 Caddy
'78 Rabbit 1.7L rustbucket

On Tue, 29 May 2001 17:56:52   Scott Williams wrote:
>Curt, if Freon is illegal, then where'd you actually find the stuff? Is it
>available from the stores? Or, must one make a nighttime rendezvous with
>some shifty guy at the far end of the docks?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Curt Voss
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:48 PM
>> To: Allyn
>> Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> Subject: Re: r-134a a/c conversion q's
>>
>>
>> I just got my Caddy's A/C fixed and went through this in detail
>> the mechanic. His take is, don't bother. To do it properly you
>> have to replace the condenser and evaporator, but you can't get
>> the right ones for VWs. R134a isn't as efficient as Freon to
>> begin with, and without the larger condensor & evaporator it's
>> pretty much useless. He thinks that Freon will pretty much always
>> be available via the black market and repackaged as U.S.-made so
>> even the shops can't tell it's black-market. Plus, R134a is going
>> away in 20010 or so because it's carcinogenic.
>>
>> BTW, he said it usually runs around $800 - $1000 to have them to
>> do the retrofit properly. Another shop told me they used to get
>> about the same price but they don't even do retrofits any more
>> because the new systems just aren't satisfactory.
>>
>> I'm not completely convinced, having just spent something like
>> $150 on Freon alone, and all it takes is one leaky seal or hose
>> and I'll get to spend another $150. I'm about to replace the
>> compressor on my '82. Has anyone done the retrofit in a hot
>> climate - 100+ degrees is common here, and occasionally it gets
>> over 110 - and if so what do you think of it? Anyone found a
>> source for the correct condensor and evaporator?
>>
>> ---
>> Curt
>>
>> '86 Scirocco 8V
>> '82 Scirocco 1.8
>> '81 Caddy
>> '78 Rabbit 1.7L rustbucket
>>
>> On Sun, 20 May 2001 21:44:33   Allyn wrote:
>> >ok, i got an 87 jetta wolfsburg from a guy, and it had r-134a in
>> it! fully
>> >converted. im clueless on this, and i want to do it to my rocco (a/c is
>> >broke now, prob empty). has anyone done this conversion? not
>> necessarily at
>> >home, even at a shop? if so how much did it run?
>> >thanks
>> >al
>> >
>> >Allyn Malventano, ET1(SS), USN
>> >87 rocco 16v (reiger gto - green - 'der rocco' - restoration in progress)
>> >87 jetta 8v wolfsburg 2dr (260k, still tight :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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