Re: What Plugs are better?

["Shannon Fenton" <sfenton@amazon.com>]

I have noted a 4mpg increase over Bosch plugs when I switched to NGK. Same
if not more power in my 16V. I can honestly say I have had only one decent
set of Bosch Platniums and all the rest sucked, i.e. poor milage and short
life.



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----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn C Meze <skerocdriver@juno.com>
To: <green536@hotmail.com>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: What Plugs are better?


>
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:40:59 PST "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>
> writes:
> >
> >I have worked on japanese car before and the Nippondensos are the worst
> plug
> >you could use (next to autolite or champion). I would advise against ANY
>
> >japanese spark plug for your German car. Of course IMHO.
>
>
> This is more for Dan's info and less for your baiting tactics. I can back
> up anything I say on this list or I wouldn't say it. Simply put.
> I don't know what you know about the NGK or the Nippondenso plants that
> produce these spark plugs. I don't know what you know about the quality
> control that goes into the making of their spark plugs. I also don't know
> what applications you have ever used any of these spark plugs in either.
> Furthermore, I know that just because its German made, doesn't mean its
> worth a shit. Case in point, Ive had plugs in 2 different sets of Bosch
> Silbers drop the center electrode. probably the absolute worst thing that
> can happen from ANY spark plug.
>
> If you know anything about Bosch Platinum plugs, you will know that they
> are designed for your basic commuter car. Longevity at the cost of
> performance. Looking at used Platinum plugs, the center electrode seems
> to wear rapidly on some cars. With such a little electrode, its no wonder
> why. That's really the only reason why I don't like or use them.
>
> I also am not the kind of person who is one minded in thinking that
> "German parts only for my German cars". In my travels and endeavors over
> the years, ive come to learn that the best parts come from all over. Sure
> there are alot of parts that I do insist to be only German made parts.
> However there is also a list of parts that can come from any
> manufacturer. If I learn that a Yugo part works better or lasts longer
> than what I currently use, you can bet your bottom dollar that I would
> indeed use a Yugo part on my German made VW.
>
> Just to go further as to why and how I know so much about NGK or
> Nipondenso plugs, at one time (Gawd, long time ago.) I was a simple parts
> driver for a local parts chain. Part of being a dealer of various parts
> is we got to lean alot about where all the parts were made and what goes
> into the various parts, materials, engineering, design goals ect. At this
> time I was also heavily involved with my Uncle's drag racing program with
> his Alcohol burning funnycar. We used Champion plugs on the car and
> replaced the plugs after every 2nd run. We went thru ALOT of spark plugs.
>
>
> (we tested them after each run and the dual Magneto's would simply burn
> out the plugs. Resistance readings of 64ohms after one run was actually
> common.)
>
> So before the next race, he calls me up and says to pick up a case of
> spark plugs on my way out of work. Normally this was not a problem but
> one day, for whatever reason, the warehouse was completely out of the
> champion plugs. The only thing we had in stock and in any quantity that
> was the same as the champion plugs were NGK's. After we used these for 4
> runs, the ohm readings were the same as when we got them. We used one set
> for the entire day of racing. Our time slips showed a slight improvement
> over previous events. I cant say that yes, these plugs were the reason
> for our 2tenths improvement over the previous weekends racing since there
> are so many variables to consider. The savings of money from being able
> to use plugs for more than 2 runs was worth looking into.
>
> This is when we began to look into spark plug manufactures on a serious
> level. Up until this point, we used the Champion plugs because That's
> what everybody else used. (Lemmings we were, back then.) We tried alot of
> different plugs including the Bosch plugs. We kept comming back to the
> NGK's for the funnycar.
>
> For street use, ive used alot of spark plugs. For the most part, a spark
> plug is a spark plug, especially on a commuter type car. If you get into
> spirited driving or autoX or road race, you might want something more
> specific.
>
> Ive used a single set of NGK tripple trode plugs in an old 77' Datsun
> B-210 for over 2 years. They were in the car when I sold it. They tested
> fine so why replace them.
>
> Sorry for the ultra lengthy reply Dan, just wanted you to get a taste of
> where im comming from. FYI, When I reply to anything (Which is getting
> fewer and far between lately) I speak from hard core experience. (Ask
> anyone who's been around a while and knows me.) if I know something, I
> like to help out those who want it.
>
>
>
> >Spoken like a true Toyota mechanic there Sean ;) Do you get commission
> >for promoting Japanese products?
>
>
> Naw, but I do get alot of personal satisfaction from giving a good
> beatdown every now and then. ;)
>
>
>
> Shawn Meze
> 86' Jetta GLi   82' Scirocco GTi   81' "Project Scirocco FSP"
> The Fastest, Quickest, Cleanest and
> best looking Scirocco in all of San Diego!
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