EIP was: the time has come again....

[T Berk <tberk@mindspring.com>]

Mike wrote:
> 
> Like I said I have heard nothing bad from the people I have actually seen
> with things done to there car by EIP...I have seen alot of people who would
> never have anything done to there car like you who live in BFE compaired to
> EIP pissing and moaning about how bad something is that they have never even
> seen....Now come on does this really make sense?....Like I said I have seen
> at least 5 kits installed by Eip I have talked to the owners...I have heard
> only that they took a little longer than they would have liked....(damn my
> rabbits been in the shop for a month now). I agree with you 100% that you
> should not have to demand that you car be done right/quickly <---more what I
> was getting at) BUT HEY if you don't WHo willl?

I realized this would be the equivalent of sticking my neck out when I
posted the 1st reply. I have not had any work done there at EIP. I do
not personally know anyone who has, in terms of someone not on the
water-cooled newsgroup or this list, etc. If I was to research this,
which frankly is getting beyond my amount of caring to do, I would
produce peoples' emails that mentioned their experience with EIP, not
just "I know someone who knows someone...". I'd not really care to
mention the fact at all except I was asked to comment on EIP and I did,
based on the best evidence I have.

How many and where did you collect the people's names to take to them?
Isn't there a list member or two who will have 1st hand knowledge? The
things I've read include cars that did not get finished, even after
paying more money. Promises unfulfilled, etc. BTW, what's BFE?

> I would understand the complaint if you even saw something from EIP (besides
> in mags). Just for fun I took all the bitches and names of the real people
> bitching to EIP one friday i had off just to see if they knew anyone who was
> bitchin about them. They knew only one person....a guy who has a little shop
> three miles down the street...GOOOOO FIGURE why would he want them to look
> bad? I have seen soo many good places get bitched about when people have
> never bought anything from them or even talked to them.....

This is usually how things work, bad as it is. Bad news travels much
further and faster among the neighbors. In this case it's "be
caaaarefuuuul...".

> When I see
> someone bitchen hell thats where I head first...I will know when I get there
> if they are actually so bad....Ohh well I say I am glad to B in the Us hehe.
> Dont listen to what people on the net say before you go and see for
> yourself.....Then you have a complaint..

I haven't seen or don't remember too much from EIP in car mags, and
don't hold much stock to what gets into the regular press. I'm glad to
be in the US as well. I'm also glad it's not the 50s or the
reconstruction era or somewhere back in the past too. None the less, a
fellow list member was asking for advice, I gave mine. I hope people can
tell the difference between "I have heard that..." vs "This is what
happened to me..." Ask me about New Dimensions, a place I have no
connection with except as a consumer. Ask me about Griffith Moterwerks.
DOn't just ask ME, ask everybody. Get the consensus. Make your own
decisions.

If EIP is all that, then lets hear more from people who have done well
by going to them. IF things have improved from the dark days of the
hoary past then lets get the word out.

My bottom line; If a list member and fellow Sciroccian, even in another
part of the world, could be aided by my or someone else's' experience
then that's were my loyalties lie. Better off that EIP work on the
perception the public has than one more VW'er gets ground up, even hit
or miss.

Nothing personal,
TBerk
(didn't really care to take a stand, and I have nothing against EIP, but
wtf.)

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: T Berk <tberk@mindspring.com>
> To: Mike <lerb@redrose.net>
> Cc: Joshua Strait <joshua13s@hotmail.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: the time has come again....
> 
> >Out here on the West Coast we have tuning shops as well, local to me is
> >New Dimensions. Apples & Pears but still similar fruit.
> >
> >All I can say about it is if enough people had the kind of problems w/
> >ND that I hear about EIP, it would be a smoking crater by now.
> >
> >Why should I _have_ to demand my car be done right? I'm _paying_ for the
> >privilege.  What's this sound like, the ones who had a bad time were too
> >wimpy or something. Huh?
> >
> >TBerk
> >Things may have changed for the better, more power to um'.
> >
> >
> >Mike wrote:
> >>
> >> I have heard alot of negatives on this list. But I can say first hand
> that I
> >> have also seen some nice and clean installs they did. 

Prev portions snipped in the interest of brevity.   hah.


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