RE: Re: US vs. EURO 1.8 16V (123hp/139hp)?????

[Chris Coracini <Coracin@usdl.com>]

got this from r.a.m.v.w.:

- "PL" -> 1.8l 129hp, KE-Jetronic w. cat
- "KR" -> 1.8l 139hp, K-Jetronic, no cat
- "9A" -> 2.0l 136hp, KE Jetronic w. cat
- "9A" second revision -> 2.0l 150hp Ke-Jetronic w. cat

The 2.0l 16V engines were never sold in European Mark 2 Golf/Jettas.


the main difference between K-jet and KE-jet is the knock sensor
ignition and O2 sensor (correct me if i am wrong...,  well, i know you
will).  so the higher hp came from possibly richer mixture and vacuum
advance ignition?  what i don't get is why a vacuum advance ignition is
better than a knock sensing ignition...  doesn't the knock sensor allow
the distributor to be as advanced as possible without knocking?  isn't
this better, in that it's ALWAYS fully advanced, and a vacuum advance
has set curve that it follows...  hmmmm...  confusion growing... 

chris
86 16V scirocco

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>From: 	scirocco.gtx@juno.com[SMTP:scirocco.gtx@juno.com]
>Sent: 	Monday, January 11, 1999 11:04 PM
>To: 	scirocco-L@scirocco.org
>Subject: 	Fw: Re: US vs. EURO 1.8 16V (123hp/139hp)?????
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>the Scirocco 16V came in cat & nocat versions (1.8)
>
>w/cat 129 hp
>w/o cat 139 hp
>
>The no cat versions were available from 1985-1988
>The cat versions ended in 1992.
>
>--------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "jason. miller" <j.miller@shaw.wave.ca>
>To: Scirocco <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:47:25 -0800
>Subject: Re: US vs. EURO 1.8 16V (123hp/139hp)?????
>Message-ID: <369A635D.CFFF5519@shaw.wave.ca>
>References: <199901111856.LAA24536@mail4.cadvision.com>
>
>Yes, I'd have to agree with Owen.  I'm sure that the euro Rocco has a
>50mm
>Intake manifold, cams, and lack of a cat.  I havn't ever heard of a Rocco
>coming with 2.0L stock engine anywhere.
>
>--> Jason "Honda Killer" Miller.
>1987 16V 2.0L P&P Scirocco
>
>Owen wrote:
>
>> > I could be wrong but I believe the 1.8 16V was 129 ps in the Roccos.
>> > Then later on starting approximately in 90 I believe they started
>> > putting in 2.0 16V, which is why the power jumped to 139ps. 
>Hopefully
>> > our European buddies can clarify this for us, because I've always
>> > wondered myself if the 139ps was because of a 2.0.
>> >
>> > -Mike
>>
>> I don't think that the Scirocco was ever available anywhere with a 2.0L
>in
>> it.  But i could be wrong.  from what i've heard, the differences are
>no
>> cat in early models, 50mm intake manifold (instead of 42mm i think),
>> different cams, different ignition and fuel system?
>>
>> Owen
>> 87 16v
>> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1571
>>
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