Okay, Bretts pics are up in the Mailing list section of http://scirocco.org/ (Don't laugh to hard when you see the pic of me, ACH! what and awfull pic :). Etrik -- To subscribe or unsubscribe, send email to scirocco-L-request@scirocco.org, with your request (subscribe, unsubscribe) in the BODY of the message. ------------------------------