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Re: brett@kodak.com (Brett VanSprewenburg): Re: Sciroccos



They stopped at least selling Sciroccos an a regular basis in Sweden in 87 so
don't be to sorry. Although it's not so far from Germany so you could go down
and bring a car home.

Mark A. Peele wrote:

> All that Brett said was true - in the U.S. (my turn to whine)
>
> The rabbit & scirocco shared the same engine in the US through (i think)
> the 1979 model year, after which vw offered an "economy" carburated
> rabbit on the low line rabbits. The main advantage the scirocco has (all
> other things being equal) is a lower center of gravity and better
> aerodynamics)
>
> The fact is, that VW ignored (to it's detriment I say) the performance
> cars until 1983's GTI. From 1976, Europe had a 110 hp Scirocco GTi, while
> the best that was offered here was 82hp in 1977. (until the JH) It always
> pissed me off to read about the great cars you could get in Europe and
> then each model year saw the same tame Sciroccos (I've been driving
> Sciroccos since 1977). I was excited when the "S" model came out (1979) -
> only to find that it was just an appearance package (nice seats, air dam,
> black out trim, no swaybars). VW finally got a little wiser and dropped
> in the JH motor and swaybars about the same time the rabbit GTI came out.
>
> The last insult was that they stopped selling roccos here in '88, while
> they continued on through 1992 in Europe.
>
> There. I feel better.
> __________________________________________________________
>  . . . Mark
> Scirocco 1982, 1980S (dying), previously 1981S (RIP), 1975TS, 1975
> --------- Begin forwarded message ----------
> From: brett@kodak.com (Brett VanSprewenburg)
> To: scirocco-l@privateI.com
> Subject: Re: Sciroccos
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:39:02 -0500
> Message-ID: <199711051439.JAA06570@kaos.kodak.com>
>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:37:44 -0500 Kevin McGrath <kevin@pelican.net>
> > writes:
> >
> > > Also its very unfair to compare a scirocco
> > >and a regular rabbit. A GTI is wahts closer.
> >
> >
> > Really? I think its fair to compare a rabbit to a Scirocco. (83 and
> older
> > Scirocco's with the similar 1.7L motor, stock.) They're basically very
> > simular mechanically and the GTi Rabbits would compare to the MK-II
> > Scirocco's with the 1.8L JH motors. Thats would be specifically closer.
> >
> > Deposit $0.02 here   |----|
> >
> >
> >
> >               Shawn Meze
>
> <KA-CHING! KA-CHING!>  (2 cents)
>
> Anyway, you're right on the ball as usual. :-)
>
> All A1 cars (rabbits, jettas, sciroccos, convertibles) are directly
> comparable to each other mechanically.  They all have had at one time or
> another the same engines, the same transmissions, and the same
> suspensions.
> And as far as this specific comparision goes (early 80's scirocco, early
> 80's non-GTI rabbit) they are FAR more alike then different.  In fact,
> the stock rabbit GTI is more mechanically performance oriented
> then ANY stock scirocco from the same years.  This was true up until
> the scirocco got the 1.8 JH engine.  Even still, the scirocco was stuck
> with 8.5:1 compression, while the GTI got 10:1 (and the HP advantage).
>
> The stock scirocco didn't pull ahead of the stock GTI's until 1986.5 when
> the scirocco 16v was introduced before the GTI had the 16v motor.  This
> also brought along a host of other goodies like bigger tires (although
> the GTI's still shipped with 205/55's while even the Scirocco 16v only
> got 195/60's), a better suspension that was swaybar equipped. (yes, I
> know these were their before for some models, but the 16v got the lower
> strut tie-bar as well and stiffer spings), and much improved braking.
> The scirocco was *always* the car that VW forgot.  I remember
> the commercials (both TV & print) from that era showing the
> entire line-up of cars VW had to offer, which NEVER showed a scirocco.
>
> I suppose this makes me less then popular, eh?  ("Blasphemer!  Get him!")
>
> Did you ever notice that VW has introduced their hottest motor in the
> most
> sporty car, then discontinued the sporty car as soon the GTI also got
> this motor?  Happened with the Scirocco when the GTI got the 16v motor.
> Happened with the Corrado (first by years with the VR6) when the GTI got
> the VR6.  Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'.
>
> (Stepping lightly off soap-box to avoid fruit being tossed in my general
> direction)
>
> ==Brett
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