Thanks for the help everyone and I'll keep all of your offers in mind. But let me get this straight, I can have a grill on my car that has the silver "vw' symbol and also have my 16 valve symbol as well........fantastic. rich 87 16valve scirocco -- To subscribe or unsubscribe, send email to scirocco-L-request@privateI.com, with your request (subscribe, unsubscribe) in the BODY of the message.