grade eight?

[smithma7 at gmail.com (Mike Smith)]

My grandfather was on the Enterprise when it moved to Alameda.  Don't
know how long he was on it, but he did 20 years service in the Navy.

On 3/27/07, Don Walter <dswalterwi@gmail.com> wrote:
> My dad served on carriers as a PT Boilerman but most likely before your
> time.  He served on Midway, Kearsarge??, and another one I can't remember
> the name.
>
> On 3/27/07, Chris Bennett <scirocco16vr32@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Back in the good 'ole days when I was in the navy... Ah I remember it
> > like it was last year...
> >
> > ;)  Sorry I had to say it.
> >
> > I guess that was a good thing about being on a carrier and a tender.
> > If we "broke" we just sat there for a while.  The bright side as you
> > said was that loss changed how we did business in general.  From what
> > I understand there have been several close calls from that same time
> > period.  We lost a hundred men but that brought the changes that saved
> > so many more.
> >
> > On 3/26/07, Allyn <amalventano1@tds.net> wrote:
> > > > All this talk of fastener grades reminds me of the subsafe
> > > > program in the Navy.  The idea is that you want to keep the
> > > > water out of the people tank.
> > > >
> > > > I was always told it was an incorrect grade of fastener on
> > > > the Thresher that failed allowing a large volume of water
> > > > into the switchgear (killing power) but reading about it
> > > > onlines tells me that it was an incorrectly brazed joint on a
> > > > main seawater valve.  Same effect.
> > > >
> > > > I am sure that Al can correct me.  I was NOT a submariner.  I
> > > > would not be able to speak of such things intelligently
> > > > because I was a surface weenie (and consequently hete-- um
> > > > nevermind I won't say it.
> > > > LOL)
> > >
> > > It most likely started with the silver brazed joints, but ended with the
> > then poor standard procedure of having a hair-trigger for
> > > isolating the steam system (from the reactor), which cut off
> > propulsion.  On a submarine, propulsion speed has a BIG influence on
> > > the ability to 'drive' the ship shallow - even more than blowing the
> > ballast tanks dry (which is risky when deep, as breaking the
> > > surface at an uncontrolled angle can result in the ballast tanks
> > partially re-filling with water).  Imagine a cup, upside down,
> > > submerged in water, full of air.  For the equivalent visual, tilt the
> > cup.
> > >
> > > While the Thresher was a sad loss for the Navy, it caused _significant_
> > improvements in safety across the entire submarine fleet.
> > > All joints are precision welded with matching material, tested, retested
> > (radiography / ultrasonic).  Procedures were re-written
> > > sith significantly greater flexibility (if absolutely necessary, we can
> > boil the steam plant dry in order to propel the ship to the
> > > surface and save the crew).  Safety systems were installed (there are
> > now emergency stations that can remotely shut all major hull
> > > openings of that compartment within seconds).  Heck, some boats can
> > literally pressurize an entire compartment, so as long as the
> > > (theoretically gaping) hole is low, the space will only fill to the
> > level of that hole (though this only works at surface pressures,
> > > so getting there is rather important (back to the steam plant comment
> > above)).
> > >
> > > Last comms from the Thresher:
> > > "... minor difficulties, have positive up-angle, attempting to blow."
> > > (5 minutes later)
> > > "exceeding test depth ... nine hundred north".
> > > (1 minute later, the tracking ships sonar detected the implosion)
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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