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92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE IT LIVES!!!!!
Uber Weenie LIVES!!!
Thanks so much Peter for the advice on the timing setup.
Here's the results and lessons learned.
Reset the timing belt tonight. Made sure the intermediate, crank and cam
were exactly aligned as Pete said.
Then still no start and a strong smell of gas..... I decided that maybe the
valves are not opening because the PO may have hosed up the cam or valves
with the timing that he FUBAR'd. The timing was definitely off. I opened
up the valve cover to check to see what was happening with the cam. All
looked ok, but..... it really didn't have any new oil up top. I remembered
that the car has set for awhile (1-5 years) before the PO picked it up. So
I start thinking they are hydrolic lifters and since I disassembled my 16v
head earlier this year I remember that sitting in the normal position
upright they drain off the fluids. So I put some oil in the valve area.
Just place the valve cover and buffer back over it to keep the oil from
being flung everywhere. Quess what? 8-) That's right it fired right up and
idled just fine... no rattling or anything.
So I have a running 92 Jetta 8v Digi for my daughter now. It's name is Uber
Weenie!!!!
Thanks all (doing the happy dance!!!!!) at least now I have 1 running VW.
8-)
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'David Brown'" <sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: SPAM-HIGH: Re: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE
> The only thing I can think of...
>
> Are the plugs wet when you smell fuel?
>
> After you set the crank/intermediate/cam gears, did you rotate the engine
> at
> least 2 times, and recheck all the marks?
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Brown [mailto:sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:34 PM
> To: Peter
> Subject: Re: SPAM-HIGH: Re: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE
>
> I get spark. To me it seems weak. It never acts like it's trying to fire
> up
> though. it just turns over, but doesn't seem to fire or try to fire up.
>
> really frustrating. I feel like it's not getting spark, but I've pulled
> the
> plug and watched the spark. I've checked hall signal. replace the coil,
> plugs and the PO replaced the plug wires and dizzy cap.
>
> running outta options here.
> Thanks
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'David Brown'" <sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: RE: SPAM-HIGH: Re: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE
>
>
>> Are you getting spark?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Brown [mailto:sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:00 PM
>> To: Peter
>> Subject: SPAM-HIGH: Re: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE
>>
>> ok here's what I've done.
>> 1. crank lined up with opening markings on flywheel 2. intermediate shaft
>> liined up with crank dampener notch 3. camshaft dot lined up with the
>> front
>> edge of the valve cover and head.
>> 4. distributor line lined up with the rotor
>>
>> Turned it over....nothing. Still just cranking but no firing. I get a
>> smell
>> of gas everytime I turn it over and I've checked with ether. Maybe it's
>> getting too much gas...I"ve tried WOT and still no fire.
>>
>> I'm at a loss here now. How exact does the lineup have to be? I may
>> have
>> missed the intermediate by a tooth or the camshaft, but I moved the dizzy
>> back and forth some and still no start. This thing is getting to make me
>> look at it like a organ donor. 8-/
>>
>> David
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "'scirocco scirocco'" <scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:04 PM
>> Subject: RE: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> I will align the dot in the intermediate shaft with the notch and check
>>> the
>>> dizzy lineup. Then I'm going to try to find the inside dot on the
>>> camshaft.
>>>
>>> If I find it I will align it with the front edge of the head and
>>> valvecover.
>>>
>>> Is this correct? What if I don't find a dot? What are the markings on
>>> the
>>>
>>> front of the camshaft for?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, front edge of the head and valvecover is correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the dot on the outside, is for when the cam gear is used as an
>>> intermediate shaft.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter"
>>> To: "'David Brown'" <sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'scirocco
>>> scirocco'"
>>> <scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:19 PM
>>> Subject: RE: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now the notch on the crank pulley/vibration damper should point up,
>>>> pointing
>>>> to the arrow in the TB cover, in- line with the block.
>>>> When you line up the dot on the intermediate pulley, with the crank
>>>> pulley,
>>>> the rotor should line up with the notch on the distributor, if not,
>>>> adjust
>>>> it. If the rotor is 180 deg out, you can either rotate the engine one
>>>> complete revolution and re-check everything, or adjust the distributor,
>>>> if
>>>> possible, the connector could get in the way.
>>>>
>>>> Then turn the cam gear so that the inside dot, the one facing the valve
>>>> cover, lines up with the top of the head, with the valve cover
>>>> installed,
>>>> where the bolts and the valve cover bolt strip goes.
>>>>
>>>> You can verify the crank pulley position with the flywheel, which
>>>> should
>>>> point to o.
>>>>
>>>> Once you get it started, you can set the distributor to 6 deg BTDC,
>>>> with
>>>> a
>>>> timing light.
>>>>
>>>> HTH!
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David Brown [mailto:sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:26 PM
>>>> To: scirocco scirocco
>>>> Subject: Re: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems UPDATE
>>>>
>>>> Ok here's my state of affairs on this problem I found the line up hole
>>>> in
>>>> the tranny case. Nice little arrow. turned the motor until it locked
>>>> up
>>>> one
>>>> way and was hard to turn. turned it the other way until it showed the 0
>>>> and
>>>> 8 lines. it hungup right before the 0. The timing marks on the
>>>> camshaft
>>>> and
>>>> intermediate are FUBAR by what I can tell from the Bentley. I didn't
>>>> find
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> line or dot on the back of the camshaft crank that would match up with
>>>> the
>>>> outside of the casing shown in the pic in the Bentley. I will look
>>>> again
>>>> tomorrow since I was in a hurry tonight.
>>>>
>>>> I pulled the timing belt off, because it just didn't look right so I
>>>> figured
>>>> I would start with a clean slate and line everything up.
>>>>
>>>> Currently I have the crank on the 0 line (I'm wondering what the 8 line
>>>> is
>>>> for? probably 8 advance, but when do I use it?)
>>>>
>>>> The lines on the front side of my intermediate and camshaft show a 0
>>>> then
>>>> a
>>>> line then T on one tooth. The PO used these 2 to line them up both
>>>> facing
>>>> directly up. I don't think this was even close and I don't know how he
>>>> got
>>>> it running. The Bently shows lining up the dot on the back and not the
>>>> writing on the front of the camshaft gear. The line on the
>>>> intermediate
>>>> is
>>>> shown lined up with a groove in the crank vibration dampener.
>>>>
>>>> I'm so confused.... I got the crank lined up with the tranny housing at
>>>> 0.
>>>>>From there where do I go? Do I try to find the marks stated in the
>>>>>Bentley
>>>> or do I use the marks on the face of the gears and if so how do I line
>>>> them
>>>> up? The dizzy seems easy once I have the rest set. line the index on
>>>> the
>>>> body with the button and I'm in business.
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be great. Need to know what to line up to get a
>>>> starting
>>>> point.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> David
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Brown" <sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "scirocco scirocco" <scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:03 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> did ether and I can smell it when I've got the plugs out and if I've
>>>>> tired
>>>>
>>>>> starting it for awhile. sure it's getting fuel.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Lagnese" <jlagnese@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "'David Brown'" <sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'scirocco
>>>>> scirocco'"
>>>>
>>>>> <scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:27 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you getting fuel? Give it a shot of ether and see if it fires.
>>>>> That
>>>>> will
>>>>> most likely point to a fuel (pump) concern.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: David Brown [mailto:sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:45 PM
>>>>> To: scirocco scirocco
>>>>> Subject: OT: 92 Jetta Digi no start problems
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok here's where I am. I've checked fuel getting plenty, so it's some
>>>>> place
>>>>> with spark and timing
>>>>>
>>>>> I've replaced: plugs and coil
>>>>> tested hall sensor and ICU. I'm getting signal from hall.
>>>>> I also tested compression 3 of 4 tested around 125psi. Other one was
>>>>> alittle
>>>>> low(90psi) but that shouldn't cause a complete no start.
>>>>>
>>>>> PO stated he had it running after sitting for along time. He reset
>>>>> the
>>>>> timing marks on the cam and water pump pulley's. Then put new plug
>>>>> wires
>>>>> and distributor cap on. He set the dizzy and got it to run for about
>>>>> a
>>>>> day
>>>>> then it quit and wouldn't start again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty convinced that the dizzy timing is FUBAR'd.
>>>>>
>>>>> It turns over, but doesn't even appear to fire at all. I've pulled
>>>>> the
>>>>> plugs and they show spark. Looks weak to me, but I'm used to looking
>>>>> at
>>>>> HEI
>>>>> so it's probably fine especially with the new coil.
>>>>>
>>>>> My questions are this:
>>>>> 1. Is there a quick and easy to set the dizzy timing?
>>>>> 2. Is there any other things I should check?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm planning on checking the signal all the way thru the hall thru the
>>>>> digi,
>>>>> icu, and to the coil, but I'm pretty sure that's not it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> David
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