Building a Racer to beat a Honda CRX - Options?

[roccit_53 at scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca (C Boyko)]

And nobody has mentioned the driver. If it were me, I'd be needing a lot of
instruction/practice to even consider being competitive. And I might pare a
few lbs off my frame too. I suspect Cory's got more course time under his
belt though.
Cathy

On 11:15 pm 01/23/07 nocones77-vw@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm not sure why everyone on this thread is focusing so much on peak
> power.
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> In order to really answer your question, you'd need to tell us what
> sanctioning body and class you're talking about. Or at least give us
> more info than just what you can do to the engine.
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> You won't make 100+whp on a 1.6 or 1.7. But what kind of torqe do the
> Hondas put out compared to a properly prepped 1.7 VW? What kind of
> gearing options do you have? How much weight can you lose? Can you
> change weight distribution? What about the #1 most important thing:
> suspension?
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> Without knowing anything at all about your class rules, I'd have to
> say that in order to keep up with a CRX, you need to be significantly
> lighter, or make significantly more power, or be able to completely
> re-engineer the suspension. For a tiny little FWD econo-box, the CRX
> makes a pretty damn good race car. Low, wide, short, and light, with a
> true double-wishbone suspension...not to mention cheap!
>
> Neal
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Cory Langford <Cory_Langford@bcit.ca>
> To: Scirocco List <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:10:59 PM
> Subject: Building a Racer to beat a Honda CRX - Options?
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> After doing some nosing around, it seems the class that a mk1 (or
> mk2) roc
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> would end up in at the local track is dominated by 90s Honda CRX's
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> 1.5L 16V engines.
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> They seem to be putting out about 108-110 HP with legal mods and
> weigh in
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> around 2000 Lbs.  Internet lists the torque from the factory at 90
> Ft-lbs
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> at 4500 RPM.
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> The local track is short and full of corners. It is far from a high
> speed
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> track, there is only one real straight section and it is not that
> long.  So
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> a quick point and shoot style setup seems to be the way to go.
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> I figured a high torque car would be better than a masive HP beast.
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> question remains, can a Roc be designed to out class the 0.06 HP/Lbs
> crx?
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> Class is limited to 1750cc, so the 1.7L from a mk1 or early mk2 works
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> great.  BUT: the 75HP it comes with stock might get bumped to 80 with
> legal
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> mods (still invstigating) and the curb weight for a mk1 roc is around
> 2000
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> Lbs as well is it not?
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> That puts the roc at only 0.04 HP/Lbs, what I am hoping for is to get
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> whole lot more torque out of the engine to pull out of the corners.
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> Just looking for ideas :)
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> Cory
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