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I'm one of those states........when it was cut in half you could just barely see the line between the bolt and sleeve.  I had to cut the bolt twice, one thru the middle and then on the hex head side.  Since I couldn't get any space between the bracket and the head I made a cut leaving about .25 left and had to use the dremel to cut straight across the bolt/sleeve in order to separate the sleeve.


-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Peter" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 

> Larry, 
> 
> In most other states the sleeve and bolt becomes a single piece of metal, 
> even after heating and cutting the sleeve/bolt into 3 pieces, it's usually 
> still stuck together. 
> 
> I have a cordless Dremel, but I only use that for more precise work. 
> 
> For the shock bottom mount, I would use my IR inline air-drill, with a small 
> cut-off wheel. 
> 
> I usually use one of my famous 4 1/2" grinders, with a 4" cut-off, to cut 
> off the sleeve/bolt, because it cuts deeper, and it's easier to control the 
> larger tool, and it doesn't walk around as much. 
> 
> I wasn't trying to tell you anything, I was trying to help Karl, not waste 
> my time, (like cutting the bolt), and then I was only defending myself/my 
> viewpoint, like I am now. 
> 
> It's been as aggravating as doing the actual job. :) 
> 
> 
> From: Karl 
> So much for that bolt..............I used a sawzall and a 4" hand grinder 
> with a 4" cutoff disk and the darn thing was cut in half and still wouldn't 
> budge. After another 1-2 hrs I got everything off. Now the real question 
> anyone know what size it was? 
> I'm thinking 10mm x ?? 
> Karl 
> 
> I think that's right, Karl, and I believe it's X1.5, but as long as the 
> "nut" is the same, it really doesn't matter. 
> 
> 
> Thanks... 
> 
> Peter 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: LEF [mailto:rocco16@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:47 PM 
> To: Peter; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> Subject: Re: Rear Shocks 
> 
> It is nice. 
> 
> You forgot to apply the heat and the patience. :) 
> 
> If you're trying to tell me you can cut, with a Dremel, an 8mm 
> bolt...twice...in 20 minutes, then I have to say "Right." 
> 
> Finally defeating a stubborn bolt on it's own terms is worth the time...to 
> me 
> 
> I'm not trying to tell you guys you have to do it my way. I'm simply giving 
> those among you who want some encouragement an option. I'm not giving you 
> an argument, I'm giving you a choice. 
> 
> Sheesh. 
> 
> There are a few of you who would argue with me if I said this was a great 
> group of car lovers. 
> 
> larry 
> sandiego16v 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter" 
> To: "'LEF'" ; 
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:22 AM 
> Subject: RE: Rear Shocks question 
> 
> 
> > It must be nice to live in San Diego, California... 
> > 
> > I have a ~gallon refill container of PB Blaster, and it has the same 
> > result. 
> > I've also tried a lot of other different penetrating oils, with the same 
> > result. 
> > 
> > When the shaft of the bolt completely rusts to the sleeve, it will not 
> > easily come apart, and my time is not worth wasting, trying to break free 
> > a 
> > rusted bolt, when I can cut it off instead, and replace it with a new one, 
> > in about 20 minutes, or so. 
> > 
> > Time can not be replaced, but bolts can... 
> > 
> > Peter 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: LEF [mailto:rocco16@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 11:52 AM 
> > To: Peter; 'Cris Carpenter'; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > Subject: Re: Rear Shocks question 
> > 
> > I've yet to see a frozen bolt that heat, time, patience, perseverance, and 
> > good penetrating oil (NOT WD-40) won't take care of. 
> > 
> > larry 
> > sandiego16v 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Peter" 
> > To: "'Cris Carpenter'" ; 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:20 AM 
> > Subject: RE: Rear Shocks question 
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: Cris Carpenter 
> >> 
> >> We used to get the bolts to loosen up in the sleeves by heating them up 
> >> real 
> >> hot with an acetylene torch (you can only heat the exposed ends so it 
> >> takes 
> >> a while before the heat gets inside the sleeve), and then rattling them 
> >> out 
> >> with an air chisel. The idea is to get the rust holding the bolt to the 
> >> sleeve so hot that it disintegrates, but that technique requires those 
> >> tools. Another alternative is to bend the tangs of the lower supports out 
> >> to 
> >> allow some access and cutting the bolt off both sides with a metal 
> >> cutting 
> >> sawzall. 
> >> 
> >> Cris 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Just a heads up... 
> >> 
> >> You have to be really careful torching gas charged shocks, because they 
> >> can 
> >> explode. 
> >> If they're Mk.1 factory shocks, then they're hydraulic shocks, so it 
> >> should 
> >> be okay. 
> >> 
> >> I usually try using a MAP gas torch, but I cut the round bottom shock 
> >> mount 
> >> off first to remove the shock, before I torch the rubber away, to expose 
> >> the 
> >> sleeve, so I don't have to worry about an explosion, and to help heat up 
> >> the 
> >> sleeve. 
> >> 3 out of 4 times, I usually end up having to cut the sleeve off anyway, 
> >> and 
> >> this is after getting them cherry red, and spraying WD-40, or water on 
> >> it, 
> >> to help cool them off. 
> >> 
> >> Having the bolt seize up in the sleeve, is really common around here(east 
> >> coast), and I always use anti-seize on the bolts, so it doesn't happen 
> >> again. 
> >> 
> >> Peter 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Message: 12 
> >> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:15:57 +0000 
> >> From: silvius14@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> Subject: Rear Shocks question 
> >> To: scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> Message-ID: 
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> >> 
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> >> 
> >> O.K.....so I got me some KYB Gas-A-just shocks for the rear and started 
> >> on 
> >> the Passenger side. I was amazed at how easy it was to replace. 
> >> I'd say it took me 30-40 minutes to replace. I know that's probably 
> >> slow. 
> >> 
> >> Now I tackle the Driver side............4 hrs later and I still haven't 
> >> gotten the old sachs shock off. The issue I'm having is that I was able 
> >> to 
> >> remove the nut, but the bolt won't budge..........any ideas???? 
> >> I was thinking about using a dremel and cut off wheels and cut the the 
> >> bottom half of the cylinder with the bolt thru it and then cut the bolt 
> >> in 
> >> half and replace. 
> >> 
> >> What have others done?? 
> >> 
> >> Karl 
> >> 
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