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Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
Honestly, I've had Bilstein Sports with Neuspeed Sport springs, and
although it did lower the car, I don't have any bottoming-out issues. I
think they are a perfect compromise for someone who likes spirited
driving, but would like some reasonable amount of comfort for regular or
long distance driving. I think it is the most excellent compromise.
However, I might just go Weitec or H&R Coilovers next time...
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:49 AM
To: 'David Utley'; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
Yes, lowering springs will help, and the good news is that HD's work
fine
with 1.5" lowering springs.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: David Utley [mailto:fahrvergnugen@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:18 AM
To: 'Cris Carpenter'; 'Dan Bubb'; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
-Just- got done putting BIlstein Sports on the front of my Caddy. It
raised
the front. *grimace* And I -hate- the way it looks. What can one do?
If
they raise the height of the car, then lowering springs won't help, will
it?
What about using a pair of lowering spring caps? IIRC, there is but
only
one sort? (IOW, you can't get a pair with a monstrous drop, right?
However, I should add that the way it drives is -superb-.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Cris Carpenter [mailto:housecall55@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:53 PM
To: Dan Bubb; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
Are you sure that Bilstein HD's will raise the front end that much? If
the
valving is really the same between the HD's and Sports, I'd be leaning
toward the HD's, but I'm not so sure I want to do that if it will raise
the
front of the car any more than it is now.
BTW - pics of last weekend's autocross are up here:
http://tinyurl.com/2b6hoq
Nate and his new/used GLX are on pages 1 and 3. Don and I are on pages
7, 8,
13, and 16.
Cris
Dan Bubb <jdbubb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My understanding, although not from personal experience, is that the
valving between the Bilstein HD and Sport is the same, but the shock
travel
is different to accomodate either a close to stock ride height or a
lowered
right height.
What I do know is the Bilsteins will raise the front of your car quite a
bit, probably about 1/2", due to the internal gas pressure and the shear
diameter of the shock rod on the front which is virtually the diameter
of
the shock body. Course over time the gas pressure will leak out and the
front will lower, but for the short term you'll probably want to do
something to lower the front somewhat.
Any new gas shock will raise your car somewhat so be ready for that, but
the
front Bilstein is a different case.
I have ancient Konis on one of my cars and they still seem to perform
pretty
well although I haven't autocrossed for years. What is good about the
Konis
is you can adjust (at least the fronts without removal) the bump rebound
easily presumably tightening your car somewhat for autocrossing then
readjust for the drive home.
Also, again from what I've heard mostly on the Yahoo VW autocross group,
any
of these shocks can be rebuilt or valving changed for a reasonable cost
at
least in light of the cost of their original purchase.
Dan
From: "Cris Carpenter"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
> ----------------
>
> After getting a few interesting resposes to this question and reading
> other reviews and info around the web, I've started to focus on three
> choices: Koni Yellow, Bilstein HD, and Bilstein Sport.
>
> So what I'm wondering about is getting feedback from anyone running
> any of these three, especially from people doing any autocrossing at
> all. I should point out that I'm running pretty close to stock ride
> height (tho slightly stiffer springs). There is some mention on the
> web (in addition to Gordy's post) that if I'm running lowered I'd want
> to consider the Bilstein Sports, but that HD's are recommended for
stock
ride height.
>
> Thanks again,
> Cris
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:13:06 -0600
> From: "Gordy Stedman"
> Subject: Re: Strut Time - suggestions?
> To: "Cris Carpenter" , Scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID:
> <6ba77e650708131713o5dbbd532ra7de2f07fd1b7988@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> I just bought this
> http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/pts/391779927.html
> Will see if it is worth the time. All the used suspension I have
> bought was broken and junk. I still recommend Bilstein sports for
> lowering and the HDs for stock ride height springs.
>
>
> On 8/13/07, Cris Carpenter wrote:
>>
>> Okay, time to give up on the old Sachs inserts on my 81. They are
> still
>> relatively okay on the highway, but have given up rebound control
> under
>> severe handling situations. Was getting a lot of wheel hop out of the
> right
>> front during the autocross yesterday.
>>
>> So my question is: what struts (and maybe rear shocks too) should I
> put on
>> the 81? I don't want anything too radical (preferring to sitck with
> the
>> stock setup), but am mostly using the car for club-level motorsports
> these
>> days and don't really use it on the road anymore. I've heard a lot of
> talk
>> about Koni's lately, but which ones and where to get them from?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cris
>
>
> --
> Gordy
> MK1 x 5
>
>
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