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warning: now OT political (was "Bridge Collapse")



Aww, c'mon... it could be fun.  :D

Communism FTW!  :P

Yes, I'm just screwing around and am NOT serious.

Brendan

----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Bubb <jdbubb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Neptuno <neptunonc@xxxxxxxxx>; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 3:45:57 PM
Subject: Re: warning: now OT political (was "Bridge Collapse")

I think you need to be more specific on what the "social republic" party would stand for.
A quick Google search brings up the Italian Social Republic party of fascist Italy during WW II and I'm thinking that's not what you have in mind.

From: "Neptuno" <neptunonc@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Karl Krupke" <kkrup62@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <jlagnese@xxxxxxxxxx>; <scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: warning: now OT political (was "Bridge Collapse")


> Social Republic
> 
> Karl Krupke <kkrup62@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:  ...nah, you're more than welcome to disagree. Just do so intelligently, 
> which for purposes of political discussion I define as WITHOUT using the 
> phrases "they hate us for our freedom", "we're fighting them over there so 
> we don't have to fight them over here", "9-11! 9-11!", or "new stragegy in 
> Iraq". No platitudes or slogans, please.
> Also feel free to NOT use the phrases "it depends on what the meaning of 
> 'is' is", "I did not have sex with that woman", etc. Lefties do probably the 
> same amount of stupid stuff, and should also be held responsible for their 
> moronic interludes ( or interlewds, in the case of Bill Clinton).
> I welcome debate with someone with right- wing sympathies who can argue 
> political issues based on fact, rather than party dogma. We might not 
> (probably won't) agree on what should be done, but at least we oughta be 
> able to agree on what is or is not factual. Both extremes I think have 
> encouraged the citizenry to reduce disagreement to the level of "Is Not!" 
> "Is So!" "Is Not!" "Is So!" "Is Not!" "Is So!". I'm sure it promotes party 
> loyalty and election day turnout, but I think it's a plague to the concept 
> of actually solving any of the many problems this country faces.
> I call myself left, but that's on average; and using the common 
> polarized yardstick. I hold a number of opinions that (oddly, I think) are 
> considered somewhat to very conservative. But to me the differnces between 
> the parties are minor, with the left (I believe) being slightly more 
> palatable. But it's a difference of degree, and not very much.
> I try to be religiously non- partisan, and politically non- 
> demoninational (words chosen intentionally). And I try to maintain an open 
> mind, while reserving the right to judge the credibility of a given party's 
> representatives current stated plans and goals based on their past 
> truthfulness in actions and words.
> So no, I don't consider you "stupid" or "evil" just because you don't 
> agree with me. I don't know your reasoning and am thus unable to debate it.
> And finally, it would unwise of you to assume anything you don't 
> actually know to be true about me, for example that I would be so stupid or 
> evil as to not realize that my opinions are only that, and therefore think 
> that anyone who, "disagrees can be anything but stupid, evil, and any other 
> number of insulting traits." [your words, back atcha].
> I think in discussion, we would probably find we have more common ground 
> and beliefs than differences. The politicized, polarized, party-line 
> theology that's killing the country is the blindered viewpoint that there's 
> only one right way, and the Other way must therefore be wrong.
> 
> We need a third party. (a real one, not "Nader- light" or some such).
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
>>From: "John S. Lagnese" 
>>To: "Karl Krupke" , , 
>>
>>CC: 
>>Subject: Re: Bridge Collapse
>>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:11:21 -0400
>>
>>Ah, a true liberal. No one who disagrees can be anything but stupid, evil, 
>>and any other number of insulting traits.
>>John
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Krupke" 
>>To: ; 
>>Cc: 
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:28 AM
>>Subject: Re: Bridge Collapse
>>
>>
>>>Actually, speaking as a long term liberal (thought Nixon was an arrogant 
>>>paranoid moron, Reagan was a narcoleptic cheerleader moron, Bush Sr. a 
>>>semi- illiterate moron, and now Bush Jr., who is at best merely a moron 
>>>squared, along with corrupt and incompetant)...uh, anyway; I've never had 
>>>a problem with Nukes.
>>> Relatively cheap, clean, and convenient (like sex oughta be, some of 
>>>the time).
>>> But I know what you mean about the fringe end treehuggers; same 
>>>mentality that thinks if everyone buys an electric car pollution will 
>>>magically disappear... "hey moron, where do you think the juice in the 
>>>wall socket comes from?" Coal burning plant, most likely.
>>>
>>> Best treehugger story I've ever heard, this from a few years ago: Some 
>>>'hugger was protesting logging in the Pacific Northwest, went out to a 
>>>nearby Redwood forest with his sign.
>>> While wandering through the woods, a dead branch broke off one of the 
>>>Redwoods and landed on this guy. Redwoods are kinda big... branch more or 
>>>less schmussed him dead.
>>> Poetic comedy, I think... proof perhaps that if there is a God, 
>>>s/he/it has a warped sense of humor.
>>> Ok, you're right, make that "further proof"; on top of the platypus, 
>>>penguin, dodo, Spanish Inquisition, Tammy Faye Bakker, fanatic Muslims, 
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>Karl
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Chris Bennett" 
>>>>To: Spewey 
>>>>CC: scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: Re: Bridge Collapse
>>>>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:14:45 -0400
>>>>
>>>>Well if the goddamn treehuggin' liberals didn't claim nukes make baby
>>>>Jesus cry--they could test the metal structure via radiological means.
>>>> That's how they do critical weld inspections in the shipyard.
>>>>
>>>>I am kidding about the liberals... but not the treehuggers. LOL
>>>>
>>>>On 8/7/07, Spewey wrote:
>>>> > Jesus H, people. As someone who has had the term "Metallurgical" in
>>>> > their professional title before, I wanted to take a minute to have a
>>>> > look at what a crap job bridge inspection is. All over the news are
>>>> > reports of "fatigue," "structurally deficient" and "50/120" as if the
>>>> > news pundits or the populace has any idea what that stuff means. And
>>>> > then they go and attack them because they screwed up. Colossal
>>>> > shittiness.
>>>> >
>>>> > We won't know for a long time who screwed up. And I know there are > 
>>>>some
>>>> > people here who do Failure Analysis or FMEA on car parts who know how
>>>> > easy it is to look at a computer screen or even peer into a microscope
>>>> > to investigate corrosion or work hardening but the men and women who
>>>> > hang off bridges have a difficult job: they can't take a bridge beam
>>>> > back to the lab. They have to sign off on it in situ.
>>>> >
>>>> > FDNY, blah blah, first responder, Navy divers, schoolbus full of
>>>> > precious loinfruit...once you're done feeling all red white and blue,
>>>> > please take a second to think about the poor inspectors before you > 
>>>>throw
>>>> > a spark plug at them for making you late.
>>>> >
>>>> > From the news:
>>>> >
>>>> > "It's nuts," said a second MnDOT expert who has inspected the bridge.
>>>> > "The first thing you notice is that the traffic is not giving you a
>>>> > break. And in MnDOT there is a real reluctance to close a lane of
>>>> > traffic because then you're impeding flow. Then there's the height 
>>>>over
>>>> > the water, the pigeons, bats and spiders. If you're a little 
>>>>squirrelly
>>>> > about those things, you shouldn't be in the business. It's nasty
>>>> > business down there."
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.startribune.com/10204/story/1347900.html
>>>> >
>>>> > Some Minnesota Department of Transportation employees have found
>>>> > themselves the target of "very...serious threats by email and phone
>>>>calls"
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.startribune.com/10204/story/1347187.html
>>>> >
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