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History repeats itself...?
Keelhauling is the answer matey's!!!
On 10/18/06, raveracer77 <raveracer77@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> Wow, that's dirty, I've heard of some bad deals but there comes a point where you have to put your foot down. Having no knowledge of either buyer or seller I doubt I'll burn any bridges here but I hope things work out for the seller and I the buyer comes around.
>
> Rave Racer
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>
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> '87 Audi 4000 Quattro
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Allyn
> To: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:18 AM
> Subject: History repeats itself...?
>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I am disgusted by the very thought of even having to make this post, but I believe after reading it, you will find it was necessary
> for the greater good that makes this list happen.
>
> I have recently been made aware of some rather crappy things that have been going on behind the scenes. One of our fellow listers
> is being taken advantage of - by another lister (unfortunately). Since the involved party is nice-to-a-fault, and is hesitant to
> "stir the pot," I am taking the initiative to make this post. I have assembled the pertinent facts below, and tried to present them
> in an unbiased manner, omitting names, such that other readers can formulate their own opinions on the matter:
>
> - (Sale of a Scirocco from one lister to another)
> - The seller was not originally to be a seller - they simply were coordinating a sale of another local Scirocco to a remote lister.
> - The buyer made a total deposit of $750 towards the local Scirocco.
> - Buyer arrives in town, and when checking out local car, backs out of deal, as there turned out to be issues not originally known
> before the sale. Buyer offers local Scirocco owner $100 for trouble.
> - Since the deal fell through, seller offers possibility of sale of their MK1, which was not yet running properly, with the backup
> plan of offering to arrange for a rental car to get the buyer back home.
> - Buyer comes up with a third option, offering to purchase the sellers MK2.
> - Seller voices reservations about MK2 not being ready for sale, having not been driven for several months, and having parts they
> wanted to keep, etc.
> - Buyer works out deal with seller. Seller keeps some parts, but leaves some other parts (euro bumpers, etc) on the car. Deal is
> for $2800. Buyer offers to also purchase an intake manifold for $75, bringing total to $2875.
> - Seller offers to later recoup the $650 from the Scirocco sale that fell through, accepting that as the down payment. Buyer offers
> to pay remaining balance in 3 payments, but seller feels that is too steep for the buyer, so seller mitigates payment plan to $500
> per month for 4 months, with the leftover balance paid on the 5th month. Seller also agrees to sign over title to facilitate
> vehicle registration by buyer, doing so without even having the $650 down payment in-hand. Also of note - the loan is interest
> free.
> - Upon leaving, buyer notes fuel leak while filling tank. Fearing recall-related leak that would prevent buyer from safely making
> trip home, seller offers tank from on-hand spare rear Scirocco clip. Tanks are swapped. Leak turned out to be from transfer pump
> assembly o-ring seal.
> - Seller throws in additional pair of rear shocks during fuel tank swap, as rear suspension was noted to be soft.
> - After some further typical Scirocco-style road trip hiccups, buyer is on their way with a running and driving MK2 Scirocco.
> - After buyer makes it home with the MK2.
> - The buyer later discovers damage to front cross member (pre-existing damage that was unknown to buyer or seller). Even though the
> buyer is a capable welder, they get a repair quote for $700 for the repair, and present this figure to the seller. The seller had
> offered a replacement front cross member which they had on-hand, but this was turned down by the buyer. Seller initially offered to
> deduct $500 to help cover costs of the repair, but ended up deducting $700 following further complaints from the buyer.
> - After further complaints from the buyer, seller feared list reputation would be damaged based on buyers list postings. Sseller
> offered to buy back the car. After this point, complaints escalated suspiciously, including:
> - Complaints of wiring issues.
> - Complaints of missing various plastic interior clips.
> - Complaints of slipping clutch.
> - Claims of necessity to replace all front end bushings and engine mounts, even though those same parts were all replaced less than
> 15k miles ago (during a 2.0 16v swap). These parts were replaced by more than one lister, so their newness is a matter-of-fact.
>
> Note: seller is a fairly conservative driver (my opinion), while the buyer posts to the list about how they rev the engine to 8k to
> see when the shift light comes on, and how they 'drop the hammer' while racing SUVs.
>
> Now for the really crappy part: This car was sold many months ago. The buyer received ONLY the $650 downpayment until just a few
> days ago. After repeated "the check is in the mail" assurances that never materialized, the seller had to resort to directly
> calling the buyer. The check finally arrived. The check amount: $150
>
> Hearing that $150 figure from a fellow lister was, for me, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. I simply will not sit
> back and watch as the buyer continues to bask in the friendship that this list provides, while simultaneously taking advantage of
> one of our most generous members. This whole situation reeks of the past Josh/Dirk dilemma that threatened the very well-being of
> our community. We didn't find out about that unfortunate situation until it was too late, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit
> back and watch as those events repeat themselves.
>
> This whole thing just irks me. Why would someone stoop to such levels to try to weasel their way out of paying for something they
> wanted (and supposedly still want)? Why would someone complain so much after a final sale? Mark and I traded some vehicles after
> Cincy. We agreed on the trade and shook hands like gentlemen. We both had issues with our traded vehicles after the fact. Did we
> whine to the list about it? NO. Did we whine to each other about it? NO. We both knew the potential pitfalls of what we were
> getting into. We both knew we weren't out to screw each other over. We both accepted responsibility for our actions and decisions.
>
> So, to the seller:
> Hang in there. I sincerely hope this post acts as a wake-up call to the buyer.
>
> And, to the buyer:
> STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT A SALE THAT WAS FINAL, FOR A CAR THAT WAS NOT EVEN MEANT FOR SALE - ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU HAVE NOT EVEN PAID
> THE BLODDY THING OFF! IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE PURCHASE AND THE SELLER HAS OFFERED TO BUY IT BACK - EITHER STICK TO YOUR PAYMENT
> AGREEMENT OR GET YOUR MONEY BACK AND QUIT YOUR WHINING.
>
> I sincerely hope that our "fellow lister" makes this right, and does so in short order. It deeply saddens me that I have
> essentially pissed away a friendship (the buyer), and now face the possibility of feeling unwelcome at future Cincy events (friends
> of the buyer), just for bringing this matter to light. If I burned all of my list karma by making this post, then so be it - I will
> still sleep better tonight knowing I did the right thing.
>
> Disgustedly,
> Allyn Malventano, ETC, USN
>
>
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