But then again, she had an 87 16v until i was born (so like a > year and a half) and loved it. OMG, prenatal indoctrination. Jesse, you are SO doomed. Ask my son about the Jetta I drove when he was little. Yeah, it's his now. Mind you, he killed the engine, but that's another story. He'll fix that. And now the daughter wants a Jetta too. :) Cathy