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Shine rear swaybar dimension & metallurgical advice needed + (ATTN: Ron P.
The bar is not bent. That is the twisting, flexing, etc...(Read the earlier
post) that occured when I jacked the car up about 2 feet on the front
drivers side where the A arm connects to the frame/body.
On 8/8/06, Brian Haygood <haygood@myway.com> wrote:
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> Wow, you should really warn the southerners before you post pictures with
> that much rust :P Remind me to rag on Ben for not painting the bar.
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> How did it get bent? Was that a jack related incident or did it suffer
> some permanent deformation in use? Has anyone bothered to check how far the
> bars we are concoccting can twist elastically?
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> Brian - not volunteering to check stress on the bars. :)
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> --- On Sun 08/06, Don Walter < dswalterwi@gmail.com > wrote:
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> From: Don Walter [mailto: dswalterwi@gmail.com]
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> To: rapieper@yahoo.com
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> Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org, verboten@michiganvw.org
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> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:53:15 -0500
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> Subject: Re: Shine rear swaybar dimension & metallurgical advice needed
> + (ATTN: Ron P.
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> Here are pictures of the Ron and Ben's Rear Axle Bar. Hope they are good
> as<br>I had to Jack my car way up to get them. You may see some torsional
> effect<br>of the bar from being jack up from one side. Hope this helps
> everyone.<br><br>
> http://scirocco.dyn.dhs.org/vw/list/Don_Walter/RearAxle-Shrine/<br><br><br>On
> 8/5/06, Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>><br>> 2.5" U channel,
> 5/8" depth, 5/16" thick.<br>><br>> Can't upload to my corner of Al's
> space...so here's what I had written:<br>><br>> -qty. (4) 3/8-16 bolts, 1"
> long, with nuts, washers, lockwashers, all SAE<br>> Grade 8 (forgive us
> for<br>> not using Metric-sized fasteners)<br>> -We drilled two 3/8" dia.
> holes in each end, 1" in from the end (therefore<br>> 39" apart), 0.75"
> in<br>> from the sides (therefore 1" apart, centered in the channel).<br>>
> -For protection, I like Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer (even though the<br>>
> metal was not rusty), then<br>> some Rustoleum Hammer Finish paint. I chose
> gray. You
> go nuts.<br>> -The bar was positioned as shown on the leading edge of the
> trailing arm,<br>> centered fore/aft and<br>> side/side. It was clamped in
> place with C-clamps and the hole locations in<br>> the bar were<br>>
> transferred to the trailing arm.<br>> -The material in the trailing arm is
> not as nasty as we'd been led to<br>> believe. You can go through<br>> with
> the 3/8" drill without pilot drilling; however pilot drilling will<br>>
> increase accuracy as the<br>> 3/8" drill may want to wander a bit, even if
> the location has been<br>> centerpunched or centerdrilled.<br>><br>> -We
> then bolted the rearmost hole first, then the forwardmost, for each<br>>
> side.<br>> -Done.<br>><br>> The cool thing about this bar is that it takes
> no welding or other<br>> fabricating, just hacksawing<br>> and
> drilling. Ben and I wanted to make sure that anyone could build one<br>> of
> these, and we've met<br>> that goal. Also, differing rates of torsional
> stiffness can be acheived<br>> simply
> by changing the<br>> spec of the bar...use a different size piece of
> channel. We decided on<br>> the bolt pattern so that<br>> we could go to
> different sizes easily, and swap bars between our cars.<br>><br>>
> HTH<br>><br>> Ron<br>><br>> --- Allyn <amalventano1@tds.net>
> wrote:<br>><br>> > IIRC, it was either 2" or 2.5" 'u' channel.<br>> >
> Al<br>> ><br>> > > -----Original Message-----<br>> > > From: Mark F.
> [mailto:mk1mark@gmail.com]<br>> > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:59
> PM<br>> > > To: Allyn<br>> > > Cc: Rick Kellner; scirocco list<br>> > >
> Subject: Re: Shine rear swaybar dimension & metallurgical<br>> > > advice
> needed + (ATTN: Ron P.)<br>> > ><br>> > > On 8/4/06, Allyn <
> amalventano1@tds.net> wrote:<br>> > > > Ron used a 'different' piece of
> steel for that task.<br>> > > > I don't think its on rons site. I dug
> around the files<br>> > > locally (his site is on this system), and came up
> nill.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > I found one of Ron's posts on the subject
> in the
> archives,<br>> > > but the link to the pic no longer exists. IIRC he used
> a<br>> > > piece of channel, right? Ron, if you're around, got any<br>> > >
> pics/specs? Did you ever get to directly compare it to a<br>> > > Shine bar
> on the track?<br>> > ><br>> > > Thanks!<br>> > ><br>> > > Mark.<br>> > >
> 75<br>> > > 82 - in search of stiff ass end<br>> > > 82 Caddy<br>> > > 93
> Chevy/Kia 1/2 ton<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >
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1984 8V Audi 4000s (RIP 2/14/2006)
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1971 Karman Ghia (sold)
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