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Collapsing US bumpers: safe?

Subject: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
From: juliemac57 at hotmail.com (Julie Macfarlane)
Date: Fri Jul 15 19:52:09 2005
In-reply-to: <MBBBLFKIEKKPENPCPOBGAECDDAAA.fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
I gotta step in here.
Are you guys really willing to risk your time, investment and the car just 
to mod the look with a change that small?

I went to great lenghts to return my car back to what it was before the 
accident.
I'm keeping the park benches.



Julie Macfarlane
"Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
Amsterdam NY




>From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
>To: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@verizon.net>, "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>,"Timbo" 
><timjmcconnell@gmail.com>, "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
>CC: Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: RE: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:31:56 -0500
>
>Just to add to the confusion, I do see that the core support changed at
>about this time as well.  Did it change for the difference in bracketry?  I
>dunno...
>
>At this point, I am willing to be led...  :)
>
>David
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Bubb [mailto:jdbubb@verizon.net]
>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:41 PM
>To: Scourge; fahrvegnugen@cox.net; Timbo; GGehrke
>Cc: Scirocco list
>Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>
>If your car was originally a Canadian car, then despite it's year it may
>have just had the brackets depending on whether or not Canadian law 
>mimicked
>US law on bumper regs.
>Also, if you did own it originally, no telling if it got tagged and 
>somebody
>replaced the bumpers and thought to loose a little weight while they were 
>at
>it???
>Dan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
>To: <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; "GGehrke"
><ggehrke@gmail.com>
>Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:20 PM
>Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>
>
> >A couple posts before, it was said that <84 had shocks. Plus MK1's had 
>them
> > right?   Would seem weird that VW would only stop using them for a 
>couple
> > years.
> > I really don't know what years had them or didn't. I do know my early 
>84'
> > didn't, my 84' GLI did, and my 86, I don't think it has them, but I 
>can't
> > be
> > sure cuz I've not pulled the bumpers off.
> > Plus didn't somebody with an 84' at cincy have drilled out shocks with
> > compressed bumpers....Timbo maybe?
> >
> > -George
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> > To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>;
> > "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >
> >
> >> From your wording, I think we are on the same page...  Arent we?
> >>
> >> Mid 84 and earlier=brackets, later= shocks...
> >>
> >> David
> >> >
> >> > From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
> >> > Date: 2005/07/15 Fri AM 12:17:44 EDT
> >> > To: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>,
> >> > "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>,  "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> >> > CC: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> >
> >> > Don't you mean it the other way around?? Weren't the shock type ones 
>in
> >> > earlier cars??  That said, my 84 was a full size spare, small gas 
>tank,
> >> > small wing, typical early 84. But had bracket type bumpers.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -George
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> >> > To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>;
> >> > "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> >> > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:05 PM
> >> > Subject: RE: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > From what I can tell in ETKA, the bumpers go in time with the gas
> >> > > tank
> >> > > changes.  Full size spare meant you had brackets, compact meant
> >> > > shock-type...
> >> > >
> >> > > David
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org
> >> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org]On
> >> > > Behalf
> > Of
> >> > > Scourge
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:08 PM
> >> > > To: Timbo; GGehrke
> >> > > Cc: Scirocco list
> >> > > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> > >
> >> > > My 84' that I scrapped only had the brackets, no shocks in the 
>front
> > or
> >> > > rear. Maybe a Canadian thing??
> >> > >
> >> > > -George
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>
> >> > > To: "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> >> > > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:37 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ALL US spec bumpers are designed to take a < 5mph impact and the 
>car
> >> > > will have no frame damage. The bumper may be
> >> > > scraped/cracked/dented/destroyed - but the car is just fine.
> >> > >
> >> > > This aparantly only works on older sciroccos - something like up to
> >> > > 85
> >> > > or 86 I think.
> >> > >
> >> > > Newer cars just have a solid bracket. Old cars have shocks with
> >> > > hydraulic fluid in them. Drill a hole, WEAR EYE GOGGLES - I'm not
> >> > > kidding - it will spray right at you. Wear a hat too!
> >> > >
> >> > > --Timbo
> >> > >
> >> > > On 7/13/05, GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > I'm thinking of collapsing my big ugly US bumpers, but I'm 
>curious
> >> > > > what sort of crash protection they actually do provide.  Does
> >> > > > anyone
> >> > > > know what the official spec is (i.e. were they designed to resist 
>a
> >> > > > 10mph hit or something to that effect) or what consequence there
> > would
> >> > > > be to having the shocks emptied?
> >> > > > At this point I'm not terribly concerned with doing it for it's
> >> > > > aesthetic value because the car's pretty rough looking anyways, 
>but
> > I
> >> > > > have them off for powerwashing and repairing a bit of rust, so 
>I'm
> >> > > > thinking I might as well.  The car looks so good without any
> >> > > > bumpers
> >> > > > on it, too.  If it's genuinely unsafe I'd rather just keep them 
>as
> > is
> >> > > > for now, though.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Oh, and I just finished power washing the car.  Did a real bang 
>up
> > job
> >> > > > on the paint. Flaked right off all over the place.  Now the car's
> >> > > > literally about 6 different colours.  It was intentional, but 
>ugh.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Other recent projects:
> >> > > > My headlights died and I couldnt find the problem (sockets fine,
> >> > > > switch fine, fuse fine, etc etc) so I just wired them up with 
>heavy
> >> > > > gauge wire to toggle switches on the dash.
> >> > > > New cable from battery to starter and ground strap to hopefully 
>fix
> >> > > > other electrical gremlins and starting problems.  It does 
>actually
> >> > > > seem to run much better!  It starts without me having to give it
> >> > > > any
> >> > > > gas and idles more smoothly.
> >> > > > Painted my dash black to fix scuffs and petrified duct tape 
>residue
> > from
> >> > > the PO.
> >> > > > Seafoam!  Timbo was right, fun smokescreen!  This helped reveal,
> > too,
> >> > > > though, that my entire exhaust system is shot.  Smoke poured not
> > only
> >> > > > out the tailpipe but exited at various other locations down the
> > whole
> >> > > > length.
> >> > > > Vacuum and febreeze the interior.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Plus I helped my buddy cut his M3's exhaust in half, gut the cat
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > weld it back together.  That was pretty fun too :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Grant-
> >> > > >
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