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Collapsing US bumpers: safe?

Subject: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
From: jdbubb at verizon.net (Dan Bubb)
Date: Fri Jul 15 17:39:44 2005
References: <20050715132352.IWUD23050.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> <0bf301c58983$006b72d0$899b9618@peppy>

If your car was originally a Canadian car, then despite it's year it may 
have just had the brackets depending on whether or not Canadian law mimicked 
US law on bumper regs.
Also, if you did own it originally, no telling if it got tagged and somebody 
replaced the bumpers and thought to loose a little weight while they were at 
it???
Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
To: <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; "GGehrke" 
<ggehrke@gmail.com>
Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?


>A couple posts before, it was said that <84 had shocks. Plus MK1's had them
> right?   Would seem weird that VW would only stop using them for a couple
> years.
> I really don't know what years had them or didn't. I do know my early 84'
> didn't, my 84' GLI did, and my 86, I don't think it has them, but I can't 
> be
> sure cuz I've not pulled the bumpers off.
> Plus didn't somebody with an 84' at cincy have drilled out shocks with
> compressed bumpers....Timbo maybe?
>
> -George
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>;
> "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>
>
>> From your wording, I think we are on the same page...  Arent we?
>>
>> Mid 84 and earlier=brackets, later= shocks...
>>
>> David
>> >
>> > From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
>> > Date: 2005/07/15 Fri AM 12:17:44 EDT
>> > To: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>,
>> > "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>,  "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
>> > CC: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>> >
>> > Don't you mean it the other way around?? Weren't the shock type ones in
>> > earlier cars??  That said, my 84 was a full size spare, small gas tank,
>> > small wing, typical early 84. But had bracket type bumpers.
>> >
>> >
>> > -George
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
>> > To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>;
>> > "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
>> > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:05 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>> >
>> >
>> > > From what I can tell in ETKA, the bumpers go in time with the gas 
>> > > tank
>> > > changes.  Full size spare meant you had brackets, compact meant
>> > > shock-type...
>> > >
>> > > David
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org
>> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org]On 
>> > > Behalf
> Of
>> > > Scourge
>> > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:08 PM
>> > > To: Timbo; GGehrke
>> > > Cc: Scirocco list
>> > > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>> > >
>> > > My 84' that I scrapped only had the brackets, no shocks in the front
> or
>> > > rear. Maybe a Canadian thing??
>> > >
>> > > -George
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>
>> > > To: "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
>> > > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:37 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ALL US spec bumpers are designed to take a < 5mph impact and the car
>> > > will have no frame damage. The bumper may be
>> > > scraped/cracked/dented/destroyed - but the car is just fine.
>> > >
>> > > This aparantly only works on older sciroccos - something like up to 
>> > > 85
>> > > or 86 I think.
>> > >
>> > > Newer cars just have a solid bracket. Old cars have shocks with
>> > > hydraulic fluid in them. Drill a hole, WEAR EYE GOGGLES - I'm not
>> > > kidding - it will spray right at you. Wear a hat too!
>> > >
>> > > --Timbo
>> > >
>> > > On 7/13/05, GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > I'm thinking of collapsing my big ugly US bumpers, but I'm curious
>> > > > what sort of crash protection they actually do provide.  Does 
>> > > > anyone
>> > > > know what the official spec is (i.e. were they designed to resist a
>> > > > 10mph hit or something to that effect) or what consequence there
> would
>> > > > be to having the shocks emptied?
>> > > > At this point I'm not terribly concerned with doing it for it's
>> > > > aesthetic value because the car's pretty rough looking anyways, but
> I
>> > > > have them off for powerwashing and repairing a bit of rust, so I'm
>> > > > thinking I might as well.  The car looks so good without any 
>> > > > bumpers
>> > > > on it, too.  If it's genuinely unsafe I'd rather just keep them as
> is
>> > > > for now, though.
>> > > >
>> > > > Oh, and I just finished power washing the car.  Did a real bang up
> job
>> > > > on the paint. Flaked right off all over the place.  Now the car's
>> > > > literally about 6 different colours.  It was intentional, but ugh.
>> > > >
>> > > > Other recent projects:
>> > > > My headlights died and I couldnt find the problem (sockets fine,
>> > > > switch fine, fuse fine, etc etc) so I just wired them up with heavy
>> > > > gauge wire to toggle switches on the dash.
>> > > > New cable from battery to starter and ground strap to hopefully fix
>> > > > other electrical gremlins and starting problems.  It does actually
>> > > > seem to run much better!  It starts without me having to give it 
>> > > > any
>> > > > gas and idles more smoothly.
>> > > > Painted my dash black to fix scuffs and petrified duct tape residue
> from
>> > > the PO.
>> > > > Seafoam!  Timbo was right, fun smokescreen!  This helped reveal,
> too,
>> > > > though, that my entire exhaust system is shot.  Smoke poured not
> only
>> > > > out the tailpipe but exited at various other locations down the
> whole
>> > > > length.
>> > > > Vacuum and febreeze the interior.
>> > > >
>> > > > Plus I helped my buddy cut his M3's exhaust in half, gut the cat 
>> > > > and
>> > > > weld it back together.  That was pretty fun too :)
>> > > >
>> > > > -Grant-
>> > > >
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