starts and stalls

[pb3vr6 at yahoo.com (Tonee Northam)]

I should really invest in the "special tool" because nobody has one. And I've needed it in the past.
 
The "tool" also known as "you have to bring it to the dealership and spend alot of money, tool"
 


Scott <gun5ling3r@yahoo.com> wrote:
I originally thought it was the fuel pump and did the following with
inconclusive results:
1)Turning the key on doesn't make the pump run but after trying to
start it I can hear it for a few second and I can hear it while it
lopes along on starting fluid
2)I couldn't get any voltage at the pump with the key on although I
didn't actually pull the connectors off to test.
3)Jumpering ports 4/6 on the relay didn't make the pump run.
4)For a couple of days before it died I noticed a high pitched humming
or whining coming from the relay/fuse panel...I didn't know what it was
at the time but I'm wondering if it was the relay. Although if it were
the relay wouldn't the pump run if I jumpered the terminals? PS I
didn't have spade connectors so I just shoved wire in the relay
terminals.
See what I mean about inconclusive results? #1 doesn't really tell me
anything, #2 and #3 make me think the pump is bad and #4 just confuses
me. I suppose I could run cables directly from the battery to the pump
to be certain it works...How does that sound?

I can't get the injectors out by hand and apparently need the 'special
tool' to pull them and check flow rates. I'm assuming/hoping that the
'cleaning' V-dub Folks performed makes that unnecessary....

I'd hate to blow a wad of cash on a new pump and find out that's not
it. Errr...where and what is a transfer pump(!?).

You guys rock! Muchas Gracias for the help!

-scott

--- Eric S wrote:

> 
> Sounds more like a transfer pump failure to me.
> 
> -- 
> Eric
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> 1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
> 1988 Audi 90 Quattro
> 1990 Corrado TDI
> 1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
> 
> Denny Maula said:
> > FUEL PUMP
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Utley [mailto:fahrvegnugen@cox.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:38 PM
> > To: Denny Maula; Scott; Scirocco
> > Subject: Re: RE: starts and stalls
> >
> >
> > The 'Fuel Pressure'? What do you mean?
> >
> >>
> >> From: "Denny Maula" 
> >> Date: 2004/10/26 Tue PM 04:35:22 EDT
> >> To: "Scott" , "Scirocco"
> >> 
> >> Subject: RE: starts and stalls
> >>
> >> Definitely sounds like the FP needs to be replaced
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Scott [mailto:gun5ling3r@yahoo.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:33 PM
> >> To: Scirocco
> >> Subject: starts and stalls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi again campers,
> >>
> >> One day I was driving down the Highway and the car started to cut
> out
> >> or buck. I managed to make it home but now my 85 8v starts and
> runs
> >> for about 2 seconds but won't idle. Squirting starting fluid into
> the
> >
> >> throttle body helps it stay going for a while so I'm thinking it's
> a
> >> fuel issue. Here's what I've checked: -I can't find any vacuum
> leaks
> >> -The fuel pump doesn't hum when I first turn on the key but does
> while
> >
> >> it's running and for a second after it dies so I guess that checks
> out
> >
> >> -It's got gas in the tank -I've changed the fuel filter -The plate
> in
> >> the fuel distributor moves freely and appears on center.
> >>
> >> I had taken it to a place to fix the, at the time, non-idling car.
> >> (Here's a tip, DO NOT take your water cooled VW to V-dub Folks in
> >> Irving, Tx). They had he car for 3weeks and only got it to idle
> > somewhat
> >> after a full tune up and 'ultrasonic injector cleaning'. They
> > strongly
> >> suggested that I buy the weber carb kit and swap out the CIS
> injection
> >> which sounds fun but is kind of expensive...I suspected they
> really
> >> wanted me to do that b/c they didn't have a clue how to
> troubleshoot
> > CIS
> >> systems.
> >>
> >> I'm at the point where I'm going to have to take it to the VW
> >> dealership and spend the really big bucks if, for no other reason,
> to
> >> get the problem diagnosed properly and I wanted to know if the
> list
> >> had any suggestions before I gave up my kids college fund for an
> 19 yr
> >
> >> old car (because I would in a heartbeat, you know).
> >>
> >> Thoughts/suggestions are welcome :-)
> >>
> >> TIA!
> >> -scott
> >>
> >>
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