Seen on eBay/ Now My Target Experience/ESP discussion

[pilotlars at yahoo.com (Lars Bruchmann)]

yeah, i guess i didn't know the A class thing started
all that ESP stuff.  
i guess if they had had ESP, they would have known
their cars were about to roll over... get it?? ESP?? 
huh???  anyways...
yes, i drive in constant fear of a top-heavy SUV
rolling onto my little mk1... on the flip side, i can
almost drive under those really large ones... ;)
--- Marc Getty <marc@getty.net> wrote:

> 
> I saw that thing on CNN last night too. Eventually
> ESP will be mandatory on
> all vehicles. This is mostly because SUVs suck by
> their very nature.
> 
> Regarding the A-class scandal, the best part about
> it is DB's ability to
> stand back afterwards and look at how ESP may have
> just saved the company
> (rather then recall 10s of thousands of cars), *AND*
> they just invented
> something kick-ass at the same time.
> 
> BTW: the MB's 3rd generation of ESP (as was in my
> C230) is the best
> implementation of ESP I have seen. VW & BMW both sap
> way too much power
> away. MB's ESP can save your ass and still provide
> you plenty of power at
> the same time.
> 
> -Marc with an non-ESP '87 16v
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Bruchmann [mailto:pilotlars@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:27 PM
> To: Marc Getty; 'Larry Fry'; 'David Utley'; 'Mike
> Smith'; 'Tonee Northam'
> Cc: 'Scirocco'; 'US Rally Team'
> Subject: RE: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target Experience
> 
> i remember that A-class scandal.  lots of footage of
> these things flipping over during low speed turns. 
> not even anything really aggressive.  of course, the
> thing is as high as it is long!!   i was there when
> it
> was happening, almost as good as the Smart starting
> forward on a slight incline and tipping backwarks,
> landing on its completely vertical rear hatch.  the
> driver and passenger sitting like astronauts waiting
> for blast-off.  
> CNN had an article about ESP on last night,
> insurance
> experts were saying how many lives it could save,
> they
> had some cars manoeuvring with it on and off, to
> show
> the difference.   
> 
> --- Marc Getty <marc@getty.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > ESP, A.K.A.:
> > 
> > Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
> > Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC)
> > Electronic Skid Protection (ESP)
> > 
> > Whatever you call it, Daimler-Benz was the first
> to
> > put it on a car. A bit
> > after releasing the first A class (not sold in
> North
> > America) cars they
> > found out that it had a deadly body roll problem.
> > After a quick swerve and
> > an immediate swerve to the opposite direction the
> > car had an tendency to
> > roll. This was a huge liability and embarrassment.
> > DB had been developing an
> > ESP product for years but quickly completed
> > development and deployed on the
> > A class when this problem was found, retrofitting
> it
> > onto the ABS of
> > vehicles already in the field.
> > 
> > I loved ESP on my old C230, it saved my ass a
> number
> > of times! The first
> > night I had the car I nearly drove off of the side
> > of the
> > Schwarzwaldhochstrasse (Black Forest High Road),
> but
> > ESP gave me the control
> > to get off a loose surface and back onto the road.
> > 
> > Just ask Scott Williams, he was driving my C230
> > while I was a passenger, did
> > a 540: spin on a wet curve downhill with ESP off.
> If
> > the ESP was on this
> > definitely would not have happened!
> > 
> > The only time you ever want to turn off ESP (on a
> > Benz at least) is when
> > trying to take off from a complete stop or when
> > stuck in the snow. From a
> > complete stop ESP will not permit any wheel slip
> and
> > sap a lot of power by
> > using the breaks to prevent anything burnout like
> > from happening. In the
> > snow there is always tons of slipping. If ESP is
> on
> > it can take 10x as long
> > to get from 0 MPH to 10 MPH as it would with it
> off.
> > However, you will have
> > tons of wheel spin.
> > 
> > -Marc
> > 
> > '87 VW Scirocco 16v
> > '84 VW GTI Bunny Truck
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf
> > Of Lars Bruchmann
> > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:02 PM
> > To: Larry Fry; David Utley; Mike Smith; Tonee
> > Northam
> > Cc: Scirocco
> > Subject: Re: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target
> Experience
> > 
> > not to be confused with BMWs ESP.  
> > --- Larry Fry <rocco16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Some manufacturers probably call it
> > > Anti-Slip.....it's undoubtedly the same
> > > thing.
> > > (The Corvette GM factory service manual [sort of
> a
> > > domestic Bentley/Bible]
> > > does define [their] ASR as Acceleration Slip
> > > Regulation.)
> > > Larry
> > > sandiego16v
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> > > To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>; "Mike
> > > Smith" <smithma7@gmail.com>;
> > > "Tonee Northam" <pb3vr6@yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: "Scirocco" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:01 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target
> > Experience
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Anti-Slip regulation..
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Larry Fry
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:22 AM
> > > > To: Mike Smith; Tonee Northam
> > > > Cc: Scirocco
> > > > Subject: Re: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target
> > > Experience
> > > >
> > > > In Corvette-speak, it stands for Acceleration
> > Slip
> > > Regulation...a
> > > > fancy-schmancy name for traction control.
> > > >  In New VW-speak, it probably means the same
> > > thing, right Tonee?
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > > sandiego16v
> > > >
> > > > > Pardon the question if it's naive, but
> what's
> > > ASR?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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