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Seen on eBay/ Now My Target Experience
I saw that thing on CNN last night too. Eventually ESP will be mandatory on
all vehicles. This is mostly because SUVs suck by their very nature.
Regarding the A-class scandal, the best part about it is DB's ability to
stand back afterwards and look at how ESP may have just saved the company
(rather then recall 10s of thousands of cars), *AND* they just invented
something kick-ass at the same time.
BTW: the MB's 3rd generation of ESP (as was in my C230) is the best
implementation of ESP I have seen. VW & BMW both sap way too much power
away. MB's ESP can save your ass and still provide you plenty of power at
the same time.
-Marc with an non-ESP '87 16v
-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Bruchmann [mailto:pilotlars@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:27 PM
To: Marc Getty; 'Larry Fry'; 'David Utley'; 'Mike Smith'; 'Tonee Northam'
Cc: 'Scirocco'; 'US Rally Team'
Subject: RE: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target Experience
i remember that A-class scandal. lots of footage of
these things flipping over during low speed turns.
not even anything really aggressive. of course, the
thing is as high as it is long!! i was there when it
was happening, almost as good as the Smart starting
forward on a slight incline and tipping backwarks,
landing on its completely vertical rear hatch. the
driver and passenger sitting like astronauts waiting
for blast-off.
CNN had an article about ESP on last night, insurance
experts were saying how many lives it could save, they
had some cars manoeuvring with it on and off, to show
the difference.
--- Marc Getty <marc@getty.net> wrote:
>
> ESP, A.K.A.:
>
> Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
> Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC)
> Electronic Skid Protection (ESP)
>
> Whatever you call it, Daimler-Benz was the first to
> put it on a car. A bit
> after releasing the first A class (not sold in North
> America) cars they
> found out that it had a deadly body roll problem.
> After a quick swerve and
> an immediate swerve to the opposite direction the
> car had an tendency to
> roll. This was a huge liability and embarrassment.
> DB had been developing an
> ESP product for years but quickly completed
> development and deployed on the
> A class when this problem was found, retrofitting it
> onto the ABS of
> vehicles already in the field.
>
> I loved ESP on my old C230, it saved my ass a number
> of times! The first
> night I had the car I nearly drove off of the side
> of the
> Schwarzwaldhochstrasse (Black Forest High Road), but
> ESP gave me the control
> to get off a loose surface and back onto the road.
>
> Just ask Scott Williams, he was driving my C230
> while I was a passenger, did
> a 540: spin on a wet curve downhill with ESP off. If
> the ESP was on this
> definitely would not have happened!
>
> The only time you ever want to turn off ESP (on a
> Benz at least) is when
> trying to take off from a complete stop or when
> stuck in the snow. From a
> complete stop ESP will not permit any wheel slip and
> sap a lot of power by
> using the breaks to prevent anything burnout like
> from happening. In the
> snow there is always tons of slipping. If ESP is on
> it can take 10x as long
> to get from 0 MPH to 10 MPH as it would with it off.
> However, you will have
> tons of wheel spin.
>
> -Marc
>
> '87 VW Scirocco 16v
> '84 VW GTI Bunny Truck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf
> Of Lars Bruchmann
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:02 PM
> To: Larry Fry; David Utley; Mike Smith; Tonee
> Northam
> Cc: Scirocco
> Subject: Re: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target Experience
>
> not to be confused with BMWs ESP.
> --- Larry Fry <rocco16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Some manufacturers probably call it
> > Anti-Slip.....it's undoubtedly the same
> > thing.
> > (The Corvette GM factory service manual [sort of a
> > domestic Bentley/Bible]
> > does define [their] ASR as Acceleration Slip
> > Regulation.)
> > Larry
> > sandiego16v
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> > To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>; "Mike
> > Smith" <smithma7@gmail.com>;
> > "Tonee Northam" <pb3vr6@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "Scirocco" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target
> Experience
> >
> >
> > > Anti-Slip regulation..
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On
> Behalf
> > Of Larry Fry
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:22 AM
> > > To: Mike Smith; Tonee Northam
> > > Cc: Scirocco
> > > Subject: Re: Seen on eBay/ Now My Target
> > Experience
> > >
> > > In Corvette-speak, it stands for Acceleration
> Slip
> > Regulation...a
> > > fancy-schmancy name for traction control.
> > > In New VW-speak, it probably means the same
> > thing, right Tonee?
> > >
> > > Larry
> > > sandiego16v
> > >
> > > > Pardon the question if it's naive, but what's
> > ASR?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > >
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