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VW layoffs & reliability

Subject: VW layoffs & reliability
From: mr.utility at highstream.net (David Utley)
Date: Thu Mar 11 17:41:32 2004
In-reply-to: <20040311220109.32329.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>
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Something else simple it could be, is the switch itself.  We have sold a 
number, although I think that most are sold due to drivers knocking-off the 
knob.  I have not sold any for not defrosting, but folks here think defrost is 
something that appears on grass on cold mornings...  :-)

David Utley

Quoting Dan Smith <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>:

> Quite alright. When delivering one night, I tried everything I could think
> of. The knob is in the center position, where the defrost symbol is. I tried
> with defrosters on, regular heater on, rear defrosters on, just about every
> combo you could think of. Still leaves a glaze of ice on the mirrors. My
> girlfriend's dad bought her the car, in NY sadly. (She lives in NJ) Had he
> bought it there, it would have been covered by the Lemon Law and she would
> have gotten to exchange her car for another! Ah well, aside from the camshaft
> sensor, it's pretty minor stuff.
>  
> Dan
> 
> David Utley <mr.utility@highstream.net> wrote:
> Dan,
> Not to imply at all that you are dumb, but are you turning the adjustment 
> knob over to the heated selection? I have had a few folks complain, and then
> 
> they realize they never turned them on... You might also check the owners' 
> bible, and see if the rear defrost must be on simultaneously (on this last 
> one, I do not know if that is the case, I just offer it as a possible 
> solution...)...
> 
> Good luck with the gremlins... :-)
> 
> David Utley
> 
> Quoting Dan Smith :
> 
> > Nope, just the headlights are on. That reminded me, the heated mirrors
> > seemingly have never worked on my girlfriend's Jetta and the tail lights
> have
> > all needed replacing and now one of the headlights needs replacing
> (again).
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > David Utley wrote:
> > It seems like I see that a lot, almost any car... Tail light, headlight, 
> > don't matter, often out... Are talilights on when the headlights are one
> with
> > 
> > daytime running lights? I don't even know...
> > 
> > David Utley
> > 
> > Quoting Jeff Toomasson :
> > 
> > > It's funny this has been brought up because there's been at least 20-30+
> > > times in the recent past I've seen a late model VW with some light burnt
> > > out. When the numbers get that high you really can't help questioning
> > their
> > > quality...
> > > 
> > > The only car I'd buy new for myself would be a BMW hands down.
> > > 
> > > My $0.02, JT
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Marc Getty" 
> > > To: "'Chris'" ; 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:08 PM
> > > Subject: RE: VW layoffs & reliability
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > The low German car reliability numbers you write about are new and
> > > > based on four things.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Spending on print advertising by German car makers is *WAY LOW*
> > > > lately. Hint Hint.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Most of the problems reported are minor, as in "my heated mirrors
> > > > don't work" kind of stuff. My Benz has never left me stranded by
> > > > loosing it's ability to take me places (other then flat tires), which
> > > > is the core intrinsic purpose of a car.
> > > >
> > > > 3. The level of expectation for reliability is very high on all
> > > > luxury cars, slightly higher on German cars. If the horn breaks on
> > > > your Chevy Caviler you don't care, if the cigarette lighter breaks in
> > > > your E500 you get pissed!
> > > >
> > > > 4. All luxury cars are incredibly complicated and have a lot more
> > > > parts then an economy car. Heated mirrors is not an option on Chevy
> > > > Caviler. The key to my Benz is more complicated then the engine,
> > > > transmission, or fuel injection system on a Chevy Caviler.
> > > >
> > > > -Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Chris
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:09 AM
> > > > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > Subject: Re: VW layoffs & reliability
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Reliability is going to have to be "Job One". Just got the new care
> > > > issue
> > > > of Consumer Reports. In the Small Car category: Reliability for '01 -
> > > > '03
> > > > for 5 VW models ranged from 40% worse than average to 104% worse than
> > > > average (the turbos). They ranked below 2 Hyundai models and a Chevy
> > > > Cavalier. The saving grace for Vws is that repair costs are probably
> > > > much
> > > > lower than many or most cars. The '03 VWs ranked well on
> > > > reliability.
> > > > Maybe they have got it right now.
> > > >
> > > > The Asian cars topped the reliability charts. American cars from the
> > > > Big
> > > > Three ranked, on average, slightly above the European cars. (For the
> > > > "first
> > > > time in decades.") M-B did not come out very well. Luxury cars: BMW
> > > > 7
> > > > Series - 175% worse then ave. Boy what an insult to BMW buyers. Pay
> > > > a
> > > > whopping sum for the car. It doesn't run and you know they pay
> > > > through the
> > > > nose for repairs.
> > > >
> > > > But people love some cars despite their short comings on
> > > > reliability. Reliability chart. "Sporty Car" category. Mini Cooper.
> > > > 99%
> > > > worse than average.
> > > > Flip back to another chart. "Most Satisfying", Small Car category.
> > > > Mini
> > > > Cooper is one of the three cars listed.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > At 10:44 AM 03/09/2004 -0700, Eric S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Maybe VW will wake up soon. Upmarket moves like the Toureg and the
> > > > >Phaeton were stupid...now they feel the stupidity of those decisions
> > > > >biting at their heels.
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >Eric
> > > > >www.vintagewatercooleds.com
> > > > >
> > > > >79 VW Iltis
> > > > >81 Rabbit Truck 2.0 16v
> > > > >81 Scirocco S (TDI Swap project)
> > > > >90 Corrado TDI
> > > > >91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow swap project)
> > > > >
> > > > >Julie Macfarlane said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even our favorite company is hurting. Over extended?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > http://edition.cnn.com/2004/BUSINESS/03/09/vw.layoffs.reut/index.htm
> > > > > > l
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Julie Macfarlane
> > > > > > 1981 MKI 2L 16v
> > > > > > Amsterdam NY
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ev
> > > > > >
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