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2.0l block

DId that last one send? The last thing I typed was 1.8 t, and it went blank. 
I didn't get the word transplant finished...

Anyway, I think the next one will be a 1.8 16V block, so we'll see how that 
goes. Anyway, I like the current build, it was a compromise between street 
and track for us, so it has to E test and all that. When it turns 20 (no e 
test) I may beef up the cams and get some headers. I don't have enough 
experience driving other builds to say which head would be better, and if I 
was doing a fast street car on a limited budget, it'd be a 2L longblock with 
just cams and exhaust, and then the rest of the money would go into 
suspension and the tranny, light flywheel, gearing, LSD  and such. I'd say 
the tranny woke up the car as much as anything, but that doesn't translate 
into dyno numbers.

But as for the head? Mine got done by the auto shop at school (new valves, 
springs, cams and so on) , so there was only so much they could do. But the 
price was right. I'm sure  a P&P, and for that matter playing with the 
bottom end would bump the power up (well, I know it does) but that's back to 
bang for the buck again. And it depends on your goals too.

I've thought of Motronic, and from what I've been told, it has good and bad 
points.And then there are the standalone guys who claim wonderful things. 
I'm sure this is a piece of the puzzle that could be improved. But for now 
I'm sidetracked by that little green car. It needs something more 
enthusaistic than the current 1.6.

There, was that vague enough? Gotta go to work...

Cathy


>From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: RE: 2.0l block
>Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:22:08 -0500
>
>Cathy, what would you have changed with the conversion?  Or another way
>of asking, what are you not happy with regarding the conversion?
>Motronic?
>
>Thanks, Rick K.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: C Boyko [mailto:roccit_53@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:09 PM
>To: rfkellner@snet.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: RE: 2.0l block
>
>Nevertheless, bad form on my part, I should have gone back to the
>original
>thread. Am I the only NON engineer on this list? Mods on the 2L are also
>a
>favorite topic for me to listen in on. Not sure I'd do it the same next
>time, but I'm sure enjoying mine. Now if the mud would only go away.
>Cathy
>
> >From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
> >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:53:40 -0500
> >
> >Cathy, there is no need to apologize and I hope it was not due to my
> >comments since they were not intended that way.  Unfortunately email
> >text, especially from an engineer, can come across a little stark.
> >I am enjoying hearing any discussions regarding 2.0l modifications.
> >Rick Kellner.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: C Boyko [mailto:roccit_53@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:42 PM
> >To: rfkellner@snet.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> >
> >I apologise, I just now dug back to the original post, and everything
> >I've
> >read suggests that for a P&P, a 2L is the way to go, so I'm sorry I
> >didn't
> >read back far enough.
> >Regardless, I'm happy with my build, and I can't comment on anything
> >other
> >than what I have in mine can I?
> >Cathy
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
> > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> > >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:26:13 -0500
> > >
> > >The original question was whether to P&P a 1.8 or 2.0.  IMHO I
>believe
> > >that the end result will be similar however; the 2.0 head affords the
> > >machinist more metal to work with.
> > >As far as the increase HP of the stock 1.8 head; I was using the
>lower
> > >number referenced in Raven's book.  If I do not have 'estimate' of
>the
> > >gains I cannot justify the investment in the upgrade.  I have to
>weigh
> > >the cost/benefit.  I am choosing the upgrades with the biggest bang
>for
> > >the buck and I do realize that you reach a point of diminishing
> >returns.
> > >The last few HP come at an extremely high price.
> > >Rick K.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > >[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of C Boyko
> > >Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 8:58 AM
> > >To: MK1Scirocco16v@comcast.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> > >
> > >Well I personally am too weak to throw a 2L head far enough to
>qualify
> > >as
> > >"away", though mine did end up in Barrie. ( I liked my 2L head just
> > >fine,
> > >but had the 1.8 rebuilt )
> > >
> > >Seriously, I always have issues with saying this or that will add x
>hp,
> > >especially something like a head. It's part of the puzzle, the rest
> > >being
> > >intake, cams, exhaust, and so on, adding just one isn't going to net
> >you
> > >the
> > >same as if you add that same thing after all the other things have
>been
> > >done. I'm making decent power on a 1.8 head (133 at the wheels, with
> >the
> > >2L
> > >head it made 112, which is about right for the rated 130ish at the
> > >engine),
> > >so it's certainly not a bad option. But I added all that other good
> > >stuff
> > >too.
> > >Cathy
> > >1987 16V 2L/1.8 head and NO MUFFLER!!!
> > >1979 8V that makes exactly half the power (for now)
> > >Which camp was I in again?
> > >
> > > >From: "Dave Ewing" <MK1Scirocco16v@comcast.net>
> > > >To: "Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> > > >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:50:18 -0800
> > > >
> > > >The 1.8L head by itself does not add an extra 10hp.  Hope you
>didn't
> > >invest
> > > >a bunch of money in that old head and throw your 2.0L head away
>that
> > > >actually had more potential.
> > > >
> > > >Dave
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > >[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Julie
>Macfarlane
> > > >Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:36 AM
> > > >To: ceatock@sympatico.ca; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >A short block is the lower section only with out the head. I paid
> >$650
> > >US
> > > >for a rebuilt block and spent almost $550 on the head to prep the
> > >engine.
> > > >Do
> > > >I think it was worth the trouble? Well, I no longer hold the title
> >for
> > >the
> > > >"Rocc with the least HP".  :)
> > > >
> > > >A new 9A block is about 135 hp + 10 hp for the 1.8 head. Sooo about
> >145
> > >HP
> > > >instead of 50? Scotch guard is wonderful!
> > > >
> > > >The 9A block will fit in a MKI for sure.
> > > >IIRC the ABA (8V) is a bit taller (physically) if that is what you
> > >mean.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Julie Macfarlane
> > > >1981 MKI 2L 16v
> > > >Amsterdam NY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Chad Eatock" <ceatock@sympatico.ca>
> > > > >To: "scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > >Subject: 2.0l block
> > > > >Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:27:03 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Will a 2.0l block from a 90's golf, jetta or passat work for a
> >rocco
> > > > >conversion?  I found a 2.0l engine up here for $750CDN...is it
> >worth
> > >it?
> > > > >It's the whole engine though head and block.....how do you know
>if
> > >it's a
> > > > >tall block or short?
> > > > >Chadster '87 16v
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