WAY OT: OT On Marriage (From another list)

[roccit_53 at hotmail.com (C Boyko)]

>From: "Julie Macfarlane" <juliemac57@hotmail.com>
>To: roccit_53@hotmail.com, mr.utility@highstream.net, jlagnese@massed.net
>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: WAY OT: OT On Marriage (From another list)
>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:50:26 +0000
>
>Ok. Here is my input on the subject. there are variations on the two 
>schemas.
>XX,XY,XXY,XXX.
>
>Hows that?
>The XXY is a VERY masculine and violent form of human and is fairly rare 
>1:100000000.
>The XXX is a very fair, small feminine female, again in the same ratio.
>


Now my reference suggests as high as 1 in 1000 for the extra X females, (and 
there can be up to five copies in some cases), and that the individual is 
slender, but taller than normal. But female for sure, including 
fertility.("metafemales")
The XXY version (Klinefelter's) is expressed as basicly a male with 
feminized features, less hair, higher voice, and all that stuff that can be 
corrected by adding the testosterone they are missing. Often low sperm count 
is what diagnoses the problem, there are fertility issues with this one. One 
in 1000 or as many as 500 live births, according to my reference, and  
sometimes in combination with Down's, which makes sense if there is a 
non-disjunction problem it could concievably hit more than one chromosome.
I think it's likely the XYY (supermale) you are thinking of with the link to 
voilence, because a initial study was done on a small sample of men in a 
European jail, so the incidence of the extra Y was linked to all that 
atypical jail behavior. But from what I gather it is also common and largely 
undetected in the general population, with no link to violence. They do make 
more testosterone, which can lead to the sorts of "mannish" behaviors, 
aggression being in this heap. Again, my reference suggests a much higher 
incidence, one of every 1000-2000 male births.
But does it matter? You can't change what you're born with, or what your 
kids get for that matter. I'm just always fascinated by variations within 
our species, and I sure don't need to see our Bentley, it'd be really fat! 
We sure do come with a lot of options.
Cathy

>The difference between the X and the Y chromosome is very small, but very 
>dependant on the resulting program changes with in human development. Prior 
>to the 13th week of development the Zygote had developed past the point of 
>gills and a tail (like a fish) to begin development of a human. AT THIS 
>POINT IN TIME THE ZYGOTE HAS BOTH FEATUES OF BOTH MALE (wolfian) AND 
>FEMALE(mullarian) systems. (Sorry for the caps, but guys ever wonder why 
>you have nipples?)
>
>This decision is defined by the TDF (Testes determining Factor) on BOTH 
>sets of genes. If present, then the zygote deletes the mullarian sections 
>and promotes the development of the stem cells into the male genetalia and 
>internal plumbing). Else, the mullarian system develops and the wolfian 
>system develops.
>
>A few very short days after this trigger point, the brain starts to alter 
>the hypothalimus (adding nerurons for the male) or adding the corpus 
>collousum to the connections between the 2 brain halves for the female 
>(this allows multi threading).
>
>The resultant changes  defining the male brain allows the brain to think in 
>a #D environment (throwing a rock or spear to hit a moving target), larger 
>muscles for running and lifting and larger nostrils for better breathing 
>during exercise.
>
>The female brain was developed to keep track of which roots were available 
>when, which fruits and vegies were good to eat and what were medicinal. 
>When to cure the hides, watch the children to keep the hearth fire lit and 
>seasonal changes (most shaman were women)
>
>This was your Chiltons version of human development. I thank you for your 
>patience  :)
>
>
>Julie Macfarlane
>1981 MKI 2L 16v
>Amsterdam NY
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@hotmail.com>
>>To: mr.utility@highstream.net, jlagnese@massed.net
>>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>>Subject: Re: OT On Marriage (From another list)
>>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:45:03 +0000
>>
>>
>>Why, you ask?  (Cuz' you didn't)  The female chromosone is XX, and the
>>> > male is
>>> > > XY.  We are recessive, not dominant...
>>
>>
>>Well, you could still be either, but it's impossible for you (guys) to be 
>>heterozygous on that unmatched strip of chromosome. Is recessive better? 
>>Depends on the gene, if it's hemophilia, I'd say no. But one more tidbit, 
>>the X chromosome is essential, you can have just one and live, though 
>>you've got a "syndrome" if you have only that without a Y or another X. 
>>There is no case of someone surviving that I'm aware of with only a Y. Not 
>>enough info on it. It codes for all that maleness stuff.
>>Cathy
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