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Julie Macfarlane
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
"For good health : EAT RICE!"
Amsterdam NY





>From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
>To: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
>CC: Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: WTB: 3a from Audi 80
>Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:03:17 -0400
>
>
> > The first part was interesting and informative, but the latter half 
>seems to
> > show your personal bias towards me, more than relating any experience 
>with the
> > matter at hand...  :-)
>
>Only cause you are SO Goddamned sensitive!
>
> >
> > Quoting Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>:
> >
> > > As far as where they're made, companies generally have COMPANY 
>standards and
> > > procedures. i.e. the
> > > inspection procedures, quality control, manufacturing processes are 
>the same
> > > throughout the company
> > > irrespective of country. It's not like there's a German master 
>machinist
> > > carefully producing every
> > > crank to 0.0001" tolerances. Engines are manufactured by machines.
> > > But to each his own personal bias.
> > > Dan
> > >
> > Engine -componnents- are made by machines, but engines themselves are
> > asembled/test-run/what-have-you by people, not machines...
>
>Manufacturers assemble engines using specialized tools and fixtures. It's 
>nothing like any of us, or
>even a VW dealer, use rebuilding an engine. There might be a guy maning the 
>tools, but it's
>incredibly automated. I really doubt that the tools and processes are 
>designed and implemented
>locally. They don't design these tools and processes for the highest common 
>denomintor. They design
>them so the average Joe off the street can assemble a complete engine in 
>.25 man-hours.
>
> >Again, I realize
> > that I am biased to a degree, as I see the leavings of what others have 
>abused
> > and broken.  However, in my experience, ALL mexican made VWs are more 
>likely
> > to have a higher failure rate, regardless of where the components are 
>made.
> > To continue, mexican parts are made more poorly in fit and finish, not 
>to even
> > comment on their longevity.
>
>That's funny cause the pistons and rods and crank in my ABA are equal to 
>the parts in my JH. I took
>it apart and looked at it and measured it before installing it. I think 
>you're overstating to
>justify your bias.
>
> > If you were where I am now, you would agree... :-)
>
> > The comment made about engines being made to company standards is true, 
>in
> > theory.  Here in the trenches, I see that it is not always the case in
> > practice...
> >
> > To whomever originally posted the questions on the 3A, take my advice as 
>it
> > was given, advice from my experience...  I wish you well in your 
>endeavor...
> >
> > To Dan, you have never responded to my repeated private apologies...
>
>I don't get it. What's the big deal? What are the apologies for? When I 
>think you're wrong I say so.
>I'm not picking on you personally. I just happen to disagree with you alot.
>
>  I bear
> > you no ill will, and yet you seem to carry some towards me...  It does 
>not
> > bother me that you do not agree with what I type, I invite
> > criticism/conversation over what is being discussed. However, I do wish 
>that
> > you would approach me more as a fellow VW owner/lover, instead of just a 
>thorn
> > in your or the lists' side...
>
>Sorry I disagree with you so much. I'm also sorry you seem to be so 
>personally sensitive. Give it a
>break!
>Dan
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >   David
> >
> > ----The sensitive one....
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > To: "Dumitru Hociung" <greasemonkey@veryspeedy.net>
> > > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: WTB: 3a from Audi 80
> > >
> > >
> > > The 3A is the same height motor as ours, unlike the ABA which is 15 or 
>16 mm
> > > taller...  Because of this, the crank and rods are different to make 
>up for
> > > the lack of height...  Also, all years are with a forged crank, and 
>ALL are
> > > made in germany, while the ABA are all made in Mexico...  I am biased, 
>but I
> > > would rather have a german engine over a mexican one...  Way to many
> > > failures...
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > David Utley
> > > Quoting Dumitru Hociung <greasemonkey@veryspeedy.net>:
> > >
> > > > just curious, if you're going to rebuild it (as in with new pistons) 
>why
> > > > does it have to be a 3A? Afaik the 9A is for all intents and 
>purposes
> > > > identical, same block, crank, rods, squirters, etc. The oil pump and
> > > > intermediate shaft might be different but aren't they otherwise
> > > > interchangeable?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:36:11 -0500 (CDT), "stetson"
> > > > <tim@unrealexpectations.ath.cx> said:
> > > > > Hey Mr.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have JUST been down this road! The 3A block is in the shop right 
>now
> > > to
> > > > > get checked for tolerences.
> > > > >
> > > > > It took me 3 mo. to find one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look for 4 cyl. 80's and 90's (you probably already know this) and 
>TELL
> > > > > NO
> > > > > ONE if you find one.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of 2 sources right now. Patrick said a friend of his that 
>was
> > > > > interested in a 3A project but went another way and had one (I was 
>never
> > > > > able to find out if he wanted to sell it or not) and there is the 
>one I
> > > > > was going to buy from Michigan until I found mine in a local 
>boneyard
> > > for
> > > > > much less.
> > > > > It had 100K+ mi. on it and was EXPENSIVE (even though I was going 
>to pay
> > > > > it) at $395 for long block Maybe it'll be less for short block). 
>Email
> > > me
> > > > > direct if you want this guy's email. This guy had distributor AND 
>knock
> > > > > sensor harness to sell too but the cost was just under $500 w/o
> > > > > shipping!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > While I'm on the subject, why you need short block only? You going 
>to
> > > run
> > > > > w/o a knock sensor/distributor setup? Everything I've seen says 
>you get
> > > > > marginal gains for that and true performance is found w/ the knock
> > > > > sensor harness and electronics.
> > > > > Just a heads up.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you DO go knock sensor route, get the 3A distributor as then 
>you
> > > don't
> > > > > need a cheater for a 8v/16v(knock sensor) VW distributor.
> > > > >
> > > > > GAK motorsports sells the breather block off plate and so does 
>Peter at
> > > > > www.scirocco.com, but GAK sells them that are already milled to 
>accept
> > > > > the
> > > > > fuel sending unit in it's stock place. Peter's are much cheaper 
>but not
> > > > > milled that way.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's as much as I know right now but when the block gets back 
>from the
> > > > > machine shop I'll be able to give you a bit of a map as to the 
>gotchas
> > > > > that can happen as I'll (hopefully) be putting mine in before 
>yours.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now......need to know anything about 9A tranny gotchas?  ;^}
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Life.  Don't talk to me about life.
> > > > > - Marvin the Paranoid Anroid
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Bryan Rankin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lookin for a 3a, miles don't matter, looking for SHORT BLOCK 
>ONLY.
> > > I've
> > > > > > called every yard in my yellow pages, and have had no luck, so 
>i'm
> > > open
> > > > to
> > > > > > all offers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bryan
> > > > > > 81 Volkswagen Scirocco
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
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