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Subject: PF vs. RD (heads only) Now with content!
From: sad_rocc at yahoo.com (Dan Smith)
Date: Sun Sep 7 15:07:14 2003
In-reply-to: <IMEIILEDMBCOMEJNDNBIMEPBEAAA.txrocco@sbcglobal.net>
Crack smokers on vortex??!!! No, never, I won't have it! They're all brilliant, knowledgable car folk. Hehe, thanks for clearing it up guys.

ATS - Patrick Bureau <txrocco@sbcglobal.net> wrote:yup... I have knock sensor on my 3a/jh hybrid running cis


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=>-----Original Message-----
=>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
=>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Eric S
=>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 4:27 PM
=>To: Dan Smith; Dan Bubb; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>Subject: Re: PF vs. RD (heads only) Now with content!
=>
=>
=>Whomever you were speaking with was smoking crack. CIS-E and the
=>knock system are separate, and you can use the knock system on a
=>car with straight CIS.
=>
=>Here, this should clear things up:
=>
=>http://www.driversfound.com/scirocco/techtips/engine/knocksensor/
=>
=>--
=>Eric
=>www.VintageWatercooleds.com
=>
=>79 VW Iltis
=>81 Scirocco S (*TDI* swap and complete restoration in holding pattern)
=>81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (FOR SALE!)
=>81 Rabbit Truck 2.0 16v Motronic
=>83 Scirocco Wolfsburg
=>91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical rebuild in progress)
=>
=>
=>--- Dan Smith wrote:
=>>Well, the thing is, I was told by 3 different seemingly
=>knowledgable people (on the 'tex though, so you never can be
=>certain...) that the knock sensor stuff required for the RD head
=>HAS to be CIS-E. Besides that, I have CIS in my mk1 now to begin
=>with, so one way or another I'll have to convert wiring. I would
=>prefer to only rewire the car once, so it'll be either CIS-E or
=>digi, not CIS-E now and digi later. So, is it true the knock
=>sensor stuff has to be from a CIS-E car? Otherwise, an RD head
=>with digi stuff seems like the best of both worlds to me.
=>>
=>>Dan
=>>
=>>Dan Bubb wrote:
=>>If you want to convert a CIS head to digi the inserts are $2.42 at
=>>http://www.vwparts.com
=>>So, no reason to scrounge them from a digi head.
=>>NOTE: early CIS non-air shroud heads cannot use this insert, so
=>always check
=>>before making big plans.
=>>Dan
=>>
=>>----- Original Message -----
=>>From: Dave Ewing
=>>To:
=>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:33 PM
=>>Subject: Re: PF vs. RD (heads only) Now with content!
=>>
=>>
=>>> I've never tried to put the Digi inserts into the CIS heads but I know
=>>> getting the Digi inserts out of a Digi head is practically impossible
=>>unless
=>>> someone has some input on this. That would be the difference
=>between the
=>>> two heads and probably the only difference (as far as I can tell). HTH!
=>>>
=>>> Dave
=>>> ----- Original Message -----
=>>> From: "Dan Bubb"
=>>> To: "Dan Smith" ;
=>>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:39 PM
=>>> Subject: Re: PF vs. RD (heads only) Now with content!
=>>>
=>>>
=>>> > As far as the heads are concerned I don't believe it makes any
=>>difference.
=>>> > I believe the injector inserts from the PF head will fit in
=>the RD head
=>>> and
=>>> > that the RD head has the threaded holes for bolting down the
=>fuel rail.
=>>so
=>>> > you could run digi with the RD head if that was the deciding issue.
=>>> > Both heads have the same valve sizes so there isn't much to
=>choose there
=>>> > power wise.
=>>> > OTOH there is no reason the RD head and engine wouldn't run just fine
=>>> using
=>>> > whatever CIS you now have if that made it cheaper and easier.
=>>> > So, choose whatever head is easiest now. You can go to digi
=>anytime in
=>>the
=>>> > future with either head.
=>>> > Note: as a positive check buy an 037 133 555A injector
=>insert and make
=>>> sure
=>>> > it will screw into the RD head if you buy the RD head and think you
=>>might
=>>> go
=>>> > to digi in the future.
=>>> > Dan
=>>> >
=>>> > ----- Original Message -----
=>>> > From: Dan Smith
=>>> > To:
=>>> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:39 PM
=>>> > Subject: PF vs. RD (heads only) Now with content!
=>>> >
=>>> >
=>>> > > Accidently hit enter on the last email which sent it off.
=>Anyways, I
=>>> > change my mind all the time and so now, after this whole
=>thread on the
=>>RD
=>>> > digi/not digi thing I may change my mind again. I'm trying to decide
=>>> > wheither I want the PF or the RD head for my swap. It will
=>most likely
=>>> being
=>>> > going on a 1.8L bored to a 2L. Originally was an RD block, but has
=>>custom
=>>> > pistons and stuff so I don't think it matters.
=>>> > >
=>>> > > The PF is digi, which is cool because then I can chip it
=>and it's kind
=>>> of
=>>> > unique. Plus it opens up the possibilities of boost later
=>on. Also, the
=>>PF
=>>> > motor puts out slightly more HP than the RD but I don't know
=>if this is
=>>> due
=>>> > to the head or bottom end. The RD is CIS-E, which would still require
=>>some
=>>> > rewiring, although not as much I don't think as I have CIS
=>now. It would
=>>> > also be considerably cheaper. So, opinions? Should I take the leap to
=>>digi
=>>> > and possibly squeek out a couple more HP or is it just not
=>worth it and
=>>I
=>>> > should stick with the local, cheap RD head?
=>>> > >
=>>> > > TIA,
=>>> > > Dan
=>>> > >
=>>> > >
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