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[TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
Back in the day when I had CIS I just set the CIS WOT switch right on top of
the KS WOT switch. Maybe a dumb way to do it but it worked.
Strangely enough the weight of that additional little switch was enough to
break the switch bracket several times before I welded a 1/4" thick bar
across it. It was ugly! Big old heavy bracket and a bunch of switch wires.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Potter" <Potterman@parts4vws.com>
To: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>; "Patrick Bureau"
<txrocco@sbcglobal.net>; "_Scirocco Mailing List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
> Dan, I was going to suggest the same thing. That's how mine is wired. Got
> to do it as the CIS-E Switches send a positive signal but the older Lamda
> control units need a ground to go WOT. Switch the current(via relay) &
your
> in biz!
>
> Patrick, If I had a head or $800 to spare I'd hand it over....If you have
> one in the works it will help out. Those motors need it to breathe. Still
> that thing it a torque monster! 118lbs of torque!...my 1.8 8v is only
> getting 111.
>
> Good luck...
>
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> Mike Potter
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:27 AM
> To: Patrick Bureau; _Scirocco Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
>
>
> Well, they aren't used by the KS ignition, but the CIS ecu still needs
them.
> Do me a huge favor.
> Splice into the voilet wire that runs from the KS WOT switch to pin 8 on
the
> KS ecu. This wire should have 12V when the switch is tripped. Run the wire
> from the splice to a small relay. Connect it to the relay coil. Ground the
> other side of the relay coil. Now take the two wires that used to go to
the
> old WOT switch and connect them to the two contacts on the relay that are
> shorted when the relay is activated.
> shouldn't take you more than 10 minutes to rig this up for a quick test.
> Or better yet, just take the two wires that used to go to the old WOT
> switch. Short them together. With the engine idling the idle should
improve
> slightly when they are shorted. Anyway, short them together and go for a
> test drive and see if the engine has more power.
> If that works rig up the relay.
> LMK
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Bureau
> To: Dan Bubb ; _Scirocco Mailing List
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
>
>
> no where.
> patched and laying in tray, I assumed these whe no longer used by the
ecu
>
> Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> OK. That addresses the KS ignition switches.
> What about the wires that went to the WOT switch that was on your car
> before
> you swapped to the Audi 5000 throttle body?
> Where are they connected?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Bureau"
> To: "Dan Bubb" ; "_Scirocco Mailing List"
>
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
>
>
> > I used this diagram install the knock box and switches to my car
> >
> htm>
> >
> > Dan Bubb wrote:
> > So, Patrick!
> > What exactly did you do with the wires that ran to the CIS WOT
switch
> when
> > you did your conversion and added the KS ignition?
> > Dan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ATS - Patrick Bureau"
> > To: "Dan Bubb" ; "_Scirocco Mailing List"
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:13 PM
> > Subject: RE: [TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
> >
> >
> > > Mr Potter : headwork... yes I know... got 800$ to spare ? hehe I
am
> > working
> > > on saving the cash for a full blow reworked head (ie: racing
specs)
> > >
> > > Dan: as always Appreciate your inputs (even if we diagree about
that
> > 8v/16v
> > > thing eheh)
> > >
> > > 1. the TB is audi5000, I use CIS-Lambda with 16v Knock sensor/box,
> and
> > this
> > > included the 16v TB switches setup (2 switches),you may be on to
> somthing
> > > about the fuel mix, (It hink it may be fuel pressure and wil check
> that
> > > soon), but enrichment switch.. humm. wil have to test the switches
> to
> see
> > if
> > > one failed on me. good point
> > >
> > > 2. the fuel/air mix is not 15:1 , but close (14.8:1 average) and I
> see
> > your
> > > point.
> > >
> > > 3. I am working on geting a head reworked, as for springs, if I
did
> go
> > > 268-272 cam would I need to change for HD ?
> > >
> > >
> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
> > > ----------------------------------------------
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> > > ----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > =>-----Original Message-----
> > > =>From: Dan Bubb [mailto:jdbubb@ix.netcom.com]
> > > =>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:18 PM
> > > =>To: ATS - Patrick Bureau; _Scirocco Mailing List
> > > =>Subject: Re: [TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
> > > =>
> > > =>
> > > =>Personally, I thought you'd be 115-118 HP so this is a suprise!
> > > =>There's really no way to compare my engine to yours because of
> > > =>the Haltech,
> > > =>but I still have some input (don't I always!)
> > > =>A week ago I was going to suggest you include A/F ratio in your
> > > =>runs, but I
> > > =>see you have. There's a huge clue right there! Dead on 15:1
across
> the
> > > =>board! CIS is awesome it can hold stoichometric so accurately!
> > > =>Now, (this is Dan the Parent!) how many times did I give input
on
> > > =>setting up
> > > =>your CIS WOT switch???? If you're running at 15:1 then your
switch
> isn't
> > > =>triggering or there is some problem with the wiring or
something.
> Your
> > > =>engine is constantly running closed loop. With the switch it'd
go
> > > =>open loop
> > > =>and drop to mid 13:1 (I presume). Now we talked briefly about
> > > =>this at Cincy,
> > > =>but the KS ignition WOT switch is not the CIS WOT switch and as
> far as
> I
> > > =>know they don't have any interconnection, but whatever, your CIS
> > > =>WOT switch
> > > =>is clearly not working or connected.
> > > =>So, step one is get the frigging WOT switch wired and working. I
> > > =>bet that'd
> > > =>give you 5-10 HP right there.
> > > =>The next items that come to mind are:
> > > =>1) head, the stock GTI head just isn't that high flow. You need
a
> ported
> > > =>head to start making big power with the 8V (one friggen smart
> > > =>crack from the
> > > =>16V guys! Just one!). Not sure if a cam will do much without the
> > > =>head work.
> > > =>My recollection (this is Dan the old fart speaking) when I was
> running
> a
> > > =>stock head going to a bigger cam with the 2.0 just gutted the
> bottom
> end
> > > =>without adding anything to the top. I have no objective data and
> the
> > butt
> > > =>dyno is a notorious lier, so take that as you wish.
> > > =>2) cam. The G grind is a good mild cam. You want an 8V to make
> power
> you
> > > =>need something that'll make your idle good and lumpy. 272, 280!
> > > =>They do hurt
> > > =>the bottom end, but the 2.0 can loose some bottom end and still
> have
> > > =>terrific off the line acceleration.
> > > =>3)why the hell are you running a 16V KS box? A 16V isn't an 8V
and
> the
> > > =>ignition curve is undoubtedly different. Despite your mods I
think
> you
> > > =>should be running an 8V KS box. Just my opinion.
> > > =>My exhaust, flywheel, fuel pumps, CR are the substantially the
> > > =>same as yours
> > > =>and they support alot more HP so those aren't a big issue for
> upgrade.
> > > =>Maybe I'll think of more later.
> > > =>I bet you could work out the CIS WOT switch before you go to
work
> > > =>tomorrow.
> > > =>There's a noticable difference!
> > > =>HTH!
> > > =>Dan
> > > =>
> > > =>
> > > =>
> > > =>----- Original Message -----
> > > =>From: ATS - Patrick Bureau
> > > =>To: _Scirocco Mailing List
> > > =>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:01 PM
> > > =>Subject: [TECH] 3a dyno in and I am disappointed, sorta...
> > > =>
> > > =>
> > > =>> alright after all my work here is the results I got for my
> 8v....
> > > =>>
> > > =>> Best run 97.9HP @ 5200 RPM with 118.9 ft torque @ 3100 RPM,
> dwell
> set
> > at
> > > =>60'
> > > =>> and timing at 14' idle, 28' @ 3000 rpm.
>
>
>
>
>
> ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
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