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Subject: [Re: [Re: 1.8t engine setup pictures]]
From: losinit at usa.net (Cathy Boyko)
Date: Wed Jun 25 04:27:49 2003
That's a decent price! But still a fair chunk of change if you were paying
someone else to install it, (and worth more than most of our cars were before
we started messing with them too I might add) but then again, that sort of
install is never gonna be cheap. (the original poster was having a shop put it
in)
 
Cathy, see what do I know?

Eric S <scirocco81@vwmail.net> wrote:
> BZZT,
> 
> Complete TDIs are cheaper than 1.8Ts..
> 
> I paid $2200 USD for my complete 98 Jetta TDI setup, all wiring, ecu,
plumbing, tranny, shift linkage, etc.
> 
> --
> Eric
> www.VintageWatercooleds.com
> 
> 79 VW Iltis
> 81 Scirocco S (*TDI* swap and complete restoration in holding pattern)
> 81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (FOR SALE!)
> 81 Rabbit Truck 2.0 16v Motronic
> 83 Scirocco Wolfsburg
> 91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical rebuild in progress)
> 
> 
> --- Cathy Boyko <losinit@usa.net> wrote:
> >I'd guess the TDI swap is nearly as bad as the 1.8T, if not worse. It's
DBW
> >and you'd need all the electronics, you'd still need to fab air charge
hoses,
> >mount up an intercooler and so on, plus good performance diesel guys are
> >harder to find than 1.8T tuners  (trust me on that one). Not to mention
> >reinforcing for that nearly 200 ft/lbs a chipped one would put down, and
so
> >on. Just my 2 cents. (Which is not worth that). And even the old NA 1.6
diesel
> >engines hold their value well, can't imagine the asking price on a
complete
> >1.9TDI would be cheaper than a 1.8T. 
> >Cathy (my "detuned" TDI came already installed...)
> >
> >"Dave Ewing" <MK1Scirocco16v@attbi.com> wrote:
> >> So your Dad has all the tools in his greenhouse to do the swap (welders
and
> >> such) but you can't do engine work yourself???  Overhauling your own
motor
> >> will be nothing compared to fabbing all the parts to do your own 1.8T
swap.
> >> 
> >> In my opinion, and this is no slam on anyone with 1.8T swaps out there,
is
> >> that the 1.8T should only be done if you are a professional tech, are
> >really
> >> good at fabbing stuff and have gobs of different tools at your disposal
or
> >> you don't want to get dirty and have gobs of money.  Nothing wrong with
any
> >> of these situations but if you don't fall in those three categories,
there
> >> are a lot better things you can do with your time and money.  How about
> >> turboing a 1.8 or 2.0L 8v with a crossflow head?  throw on a SDS system
and
> >> you could be pulling down over 200hp, or do up an all motor engine in a
> >> lighter car?  For that matter, throw a TDI into your scirocco!!
> >> 
> >> Dave
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Kevin S" <optimus234@hotmail.com>
> >> To: <MK1Scirocco16v@attbi.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: 1.8t engine setup pictures
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Remember this is canadian prices. I have asked what it would cost for
a
> >> big
> >> > engine. The guy said around 7 - 8k, and I would get probebly 200bhp.
Then
> >> I
> >> > was thinking about turboing my engine (I can't do engine work myself
:(
> >or
> >> I
> >> > would have done this). I talked to a couple specialty places, they
> >> > recommended that I go 1.8t, you just get more for your money. They
could
> >> > have just been after my money though :P .
> >> >
> >> > This is what I have learned talking to people. Not trying to say im
right
> >> or
> >> > anything. Thats what I have delt with. Maybe I should go look at more
> >> > places?? talk to more people?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: "Dave Ewing" <MK1Scirocco16v@attbi.com>
> >> > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > >Subject: Re: 1.8t engine setup pictures
> >> > >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:24:10 -0700
> >> > >
> >> > >I guess I just don't understand why you would want to spend $6K on a
> >1.8T
> >> > >(you'll end up spending a lot more than that I bet!!!) when you could
> >> have
> >> > >a
> >> > >nice high compression 2.0L 16v that will crank out similar HP for
about
> >> > >half
> >> > >the money and half the headache.  I know I'm fishing for hate mail but
I
> >> > >just don't get it.  The 1.8T is a nice motor and all and with a chip
can
> >> be
> >> > >pretty very nice but man, if you want to spend gobs of money, get
some
> >> > >pistons and turbo a 2.0L 16v!  If your budget is $6k, it would be
VERY
> >> > >doable with about $2k or more left!
> >> > >
> >> > >Just my opinion!!
> >> > >
> >> > >Dave
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "Kevin S" <optimus234@hotmail.com>
> >> > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:23 PM
> >> > >Subject: Re: 1.8t engine setup pictures
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Yea thats what I was thinking, doing the upgrades right away. The
> >> thing
> >> > >is
> >> > > > my car has been off the road for more then 3 months now, my 16v
needs
> >> a
> >> > > > complete rebuild, also I need to get it back on the road because
its
> >> the
> >> > > > only car I have, and my parents are getting mad. I was going to
get
> >my
> >> > > > engine done up, but the local mechanic chickened out and told me
to
> >> take
> >> > >my
> >> > > > engine back. So now I have a choice spend $3000 canadian on my
engine
> >> > > > rebuild. Or I would rather save that money and spend twice that
much
> >> on
> >> > >a
> >> > > > 1.8t swap. I am hoping to get the swap done by the end of the
summer
> >> if
> >> > >I
> >> > > > can get a engine soon. I don't mind spending extra money on
upgrades
> >> > >here
> >> > > > and there. As long as my parents are happy that I have a car
again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Since you mentioned guages, what kind you recommend, that would
look
> >> > >nice
> >> > > > and a good guages??
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks for all your help
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >From: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
> >> > > > >To: "Kevin S" <optimus234@hotmail.com>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: 1.8t engine setup pictures
> >> > > > >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:52:09 -0400
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Honestly I would wait til you have the more money to do it all at
> >> once.
> >> > > > >Otherwise you will have to redo a bunch of work in the lines of
> >turbo
> >> > >and
> >> > > > >intercooler plumbing. Doing it piece by piece is also more of an
> >> > >annoyance
> >> > > > >and a steady drain on your cash supply vs just one big headache
and
> >a
> >> > > > >sudden
> >> > > > >trip to the poor house!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Take your time, hunt up a nice turbo and intercooler, and the
much
> >> > >needed
> >> > > > >quaife. Investing in the gauges you should run and a boost
> >controller
> >> > >will
> >> > > > >help out also. It would also be a good choice to pull the engine
> >> apart
> >> > >and
> >> > > > >replace the rings/etc and upgrade the head now since they are out
of
> >> a
> >> > >car
> >> > > > >now.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Also work out a plan on how you plan on upgrading the ECU, are
you
> >> > >going
> >> > >to
> >> > > > >run a chip, or run standalone? The size turbo you opt to go with
> >will
> >> > >help
> >> > > > >you decide on that.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Josh Able
> >> > > > >www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> >> > > > >----------------------------------------
> >> > > > >Lemmy 1992:
> >> > > > >I tell you we are doomed my friends
> >> > > > >Our time is come, our time is come
> >> > > > >We live within a charnel house
> >> > > > >Rotten to the core
> >> > > > >We glorify lust, greed & pain
> >> > > > >We drown our hope in poison rain
> >> > > > >We point the finger, shift the blame
> >> > > > >Ambition makes us whores
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > >From: "Kevin S" <optimus234@hotmail.com>
> >> > > > >To: <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > > > >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:38 PM
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: 1.8t engine setup pictures
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Because of money contraints, everything is stock. The engine is
a
> >> > >AEB
> >> > > > >1.8t,
> >> > > > > > the tranny is a 020 till I get more money for somthing better.
I
> >> am
> >> > > > >going
> >> > > > > > bigger turbo, intercooler, ECU upgrades in the future. No idea
> >> what
> >> > >else
> >> > > > >I
> >> > > > > > could do to the engine to make it better.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >From: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
> >> > > > > > >To: "Kevin S" <optimus234@hotmail.com>,
> ><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > > > > > >Subject: Re: 1.8t engine setup pictures
> >> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:30:58 -0400
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >what engine are you putting in? any plans on tranny? are you
> >> > >keeping
> >> > > > >the
> >> > > > > > >stock turbo?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >come on man, details!! :)
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >Josh Able
> >> > > > > > >www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> >> > > > > > >----------------------------------------
> >> > > > > > >Lemmy 1992:
> >> > > > > > >I tell you we are doomed my friends
> >> > > > > > >Our time is come, our time is come
> >> > > > > > >We live within a charnel house
> >> > > > > > >Rotten to the core
> >> > > > > > >We glorify lust, greed & pain
> >> > > > > > >We drown our hope in poison rain
> >> > > > > > >We point the finger, shift the blame
> >> > > > > > >Ambition makes us whores
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > >From: "Kevin S" <optimus234@hotmail.com>
> >> > > > > > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > > > > > >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:16 PM
> >> > > > > > >Subject: 1.8t engine setup pictures
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Can anyone send me some picture of their 1.8t in their
> >> scirocco.
> >> > >I
> >> > > > >am
> >> > > > > > >going
> >> > > > > > > > to put one in and need some good pictures showing how it
is
> >> > >done,
> >> > > > >Turbo
> >> > > > > > > > hookup, plumbing, etc.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
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